ABS lights is on. What is the problem?

Tiny
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ABS and brakes lights is on
Sunday, February 12th, 2012 AT 9:26 PM

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Tiny
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There will be at least one diagnostic fault code stored in the ABS Computer. Having that code read will indicate the circuit or system that needs further diagnosis. It also depends on whether you have the rear-wheel-anti-lock system or the 4-wheel system.
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Sunday, February 12th, 2012 AT 9:36 PM
Tiny
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This is not 4wheel system.
I have 2-wheel drive
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Sunday, February 12th, 2012 AT 11:58 PM
Tiny
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The ABS system has nothing to do with a two or four-wheel drive system. If you have the four-wheel ABS system, all four wheels are controlled individually. All cars with anti-lock brakes have this type of system. If you follow the two steel brake lines coming out of the brake master cylinder, they'll go into a fairly large hydraulic controller with four lines coming out, one for each wheel. You'll usually also hear the buzzing and banging when the system is preventing a skid. With this system, when you press the brake pedal, the computer looks at all four wheel speeds, disregards the fastest one, then of the other three, it reduces brake pressure to the one wheel that's turning a certain percentage slower than the other two.

The rear-wheel anti-lock system, called "RWAL" for short, is only used on trucks. Doesn't matter if it's a two or four-wheel drive truck. This system only reduces brake pressure to the two rear wheels together when either one of them slows down too quickly. Their speed is not compared to the front wheels. Whether or not to reduce brake pressure is determined strictly by the RATE of slow-down. Skidding tires have no traction. The goal of the RWAL system is to prevent the rear of the truck from passing the front in slippery conditions. The front wheels can still lock up and skid with this system.

Also, with the RWAL system, very often that computer can only store one diagnostic fault code at a time. On many Chrysler products that code can only be erased with a scanner that can access the ABS Computer. Disconnecting the battery won't do it. Many aftermarket scanners won't either so you might need the Chrysler dealer's scanner. I have one and a lot of independent shops do too because with a plug-in card, it will work on all brands of vehicles sold in the U.S., at least for emissions-related stuff.

If a second problem develops with the RWAL system and it can't store a second code, that second one will show up as soon as the first problem is fixed and that code is erased. If you have the original problem fixed right away, there's rarely a second code waiting to show up. If you wait months or years like some people, it is very likely a second problem occurred. No one will know, including your mechanic, until that first problem is fixed. Then, when the warning light turns on again and there's a new code in memory, you're not happy when you're told more work is needed beyond the original estimate, and your mechanic is not happy having to tell you that more repairs are needed.

If you have the four-wheel ABS, one of the more common problems is a defective front wheel speed sensor. With the RWAL system, there are two things I remember running into on Dakotas. There is only one wheel speed sensor inserted into the top of the rear differential housing. If enough metal chips collect on the magnet they will reduce the signal to the point the computer won't see it. Removing and cleaning the sensor will take care of that. That sensor also has a two-wire connector attached to the left frame rail. I had one that wasn't sealed properly and got moisture inside and developed corrosion on the connector pins. The fault code will be related to "speed signal missing". Those sensors rarely fail on their own. Failure is almost always due to corrosion, metal chips, or a cut wire.

The other somewhat common problem involves an intermittently shorted solenoid coil in the valve assembly. The short may only occur on bumpy roads. If it does occur at the same time the computer is sending current to it, the excessive current will blow an internal fuse in the computer module. The fault code will be "internal fuse failure". That requires replacement of the computer but very often the new one fails too in a short time because the original cause, that shorted valve assembly, wasn't replaced at the same time.

Regardless which system you have, don't overlook something as silly as low brake fluid level. The yellow ABS warning light will be turned on along with the red brake system warning light. If you do have to add fluid, never fill it to the top. Just add enough new, clean fluid from a sealed container to reach the "minimum" level. Also be extremely careful to not get any contaminants in that fluid. Mainly that means any hint of petroleum product such as engine oil, transmission fluid, and power steering fluid. If you have grease on your fingers, don't use them to push the rubber bladder seal back into the reservoir cap either. Any such contamination will lead to a very expensive repair.

This guide will help you figure out whats wrong

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/abs-warning-light-on-easy-repair-guide
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Monday, February 13th, 2012 AT 2:27 AM
Tiny
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Brakes problem
2003 Dodge Dakota V8 Two Wheel Drive Automatic

This morning I had stopped at the store and when I started my car again the ABS and Brake lights where on and did not go off. It is cold outside if that has any affect to this.
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Friday, June 14th, 2019 AT 6:00 PM (Merged)
Tiny
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Ordinary scan tools for reading engine fault codes are usually no help when it comes to reading fault codes or doing other diagnostics on antilock brake systems
. It takes special software to access the ABS diagnostics, which usually means using a factory scan tool, a high end professional scan tool, a dedicated ABS tester, or a DIY scan tool with dual capabilities, but we can still check the basics.
Start with the brake fluid, if low, add some, and look for leak if low.

When a wheel speed sensor
(WSS) fails or there's a problem in the sensor's wiring circuit, it usually disables the ABS
system and causes the ABS warning light to come on. Loss of a wheel speed signal is a serious problem because the ABS module needs accurate input from all its sensors to determine whether or not a wheel is locking up. Without this vital information, the ABS system can't do its thing.
Check fuse 17(see diagram)
Visually check the speed sensor. Check for lose or disconnected wire at each senor, look for mud covering the air gap between the sensor and the tone ring. Each tire must be removed to access each sensor


https://www.2carpros.com/forum/automotive_pictures/46384_0996b43f8022e716_2.jpg



sending the diagram to your email.
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