So far I have replaced starter, battery.

DO YOU HAVE A VOLTMETER OR A TEST-LIGHT?

IS THIS EXACTLY WHAT YOUR STARTER LOOKS LIKE?.......ACTUALLY LOOK AT IT GOOD!

I WANNA KNOW IF YOU HAVE TILT STEERING OR NOTTHEY HAVE 2 DIFFERENT IGNITION SWITCHES!!!!!!!!!

I'VE ANSWERED A GOOD MANY QUESTIONS---I HAVE SORTA "HOARDED" THE CJ 5s AND CJ 7s FOR THE LAST 3 YEARS OR SO......I KNOW THEM AND THE 258 (4.2) SO VERY WELL!

RECENTLY I'VE BEEN HELPING OUT WITH A 1987 YJ W/ A 258

I HAVE ACCESS TO MANY DIAGRAMS, WIRING INCLUDED IN "MITCHELL I"

I CAN ALSO USE PICS OF MY JEEPS AS WELL AS MY PALs W/ THE YJ----STUFF IS SIMILAR

I'M GONNA RUN YOU THRU SOME SERIOUS TESTING..........ARE YOU ABLE?

1ST---I WANT YOU TO REALLY ATTEMPT TO DO THIS STUFF, MAY SAVE SOME TIME, AND BE A FIX !!!!........ATTEMPT TO VIEW EVERYTHING...........LIKE IT'S SOMEBODY ELSE'S!!!!

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WISH YOU HAD COME HERE 1ST----I MAY COULD/ CAN MAYBE SHOW YOU HOW TO SAVE SOME SERIOUS BUCKS ON PARTS.......LIKE RIGHT NOW $40 OFF OF A $110 PURCHASE......CAN BE DONE OVER AND OVER!

GIMME SOME ANSWERS---I'LL HANG WITH YOU LIKE I DO THE CJs, SOME OF THEM HAVE OVER 100 RESPONSES

AS YOU SEE---NO "ONE LINER" ANSWERS OUTTA MY GARAGE!!!...I TRY TO BE YOUR PAL IN MY GARAGE!

RECENTLY I REMOVED AND MODIFIED MY IGNITION SWITCH (MY '77 CJ 5 W/ NO TILT IS THE SAME AS A WRANGLER W/ NO TILT)
I MODIFIED IT SO THAT IT STILL WOULD HOOK TO THE CONNECTORS (ON THE JEEP) WITHOUT "CHOPPING" AND "HACKING" THE JEEP WIRES............MY MODIFICATION IS EZily REVERSABLE!!!!

I MADE IT SO I DID NOT NEED THE KEY---I HAVE A "HIDDEN" MASTER OFF/ ON TOGGLE SWITCH (SECURITY).....QUICKLY ACCESSIBLE FROM THE DRIVER'S SEATTHEN I HAVE AIRCRAFT TYPE "ARMING SWITCHES"---ONE ON LEFT IS "ALL ACCESSORIES" THE OTHER IS "IGNITION"THE THIRD IS A MOMENTARY CONTACT SWITCH, CENTER IS OFF......."START" WORKS EITHER PUSHED UP OR PUSHED DOWN

I LOVE IT! COMPARED TO REACHING AROUND THE STEERING WHEEL TO CRANK HIM UP!......LOOKS REALLY COOL TOO!

IN MY LAST PIC---THIS IS THE SET UPTHE WIRES ON THE IGNITION SWITCH ACTUALLY ARE SOLDERED ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE TERMINALS THEY TOUCH ......THE LINES DO TOUCH THE CORRECT SPADES, FOR FUNCTION, BUT THIS SIDE PLUGS INTO THE JEEP

(IN OTHER WORDS, I DISASSEMBLED THE IGN SWITCH, SOLDERED TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PLASTIC, ONTO THE TERMINALS THE LINES GO TO)

I HAVE MORE DOCUMENTATION ON EXACTLY HOW I DID ALL OF THIS!........ALL OF THIS COST ME LESS THAN $30

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SORRY. MY THIRD LINK SHOULDA BEEN UNDER MY 2ND LINE

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THIS IS MY MISSION AND APPROACH WITH PROBLEMS LIKE THIS:

1) FIND OUT ALL HISTORY YOU HAVE---MODS, ETC. EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED---WHAT YOU OBSERVE NOW

2) THE PROBLEM WAS A "PROBLEM", AND MAY STILL BE. BUT WITH ALL YOU HAVE DONE, MAYBE YOU FIXED IT. BUT CREATED ANOTHER PROBLEM.I GOTTA KNOW EVERY LITTLE THING YOU DID!

3) I REALLY TRY NOT TO CONFUSE YOU, AND I DON'T WANT YOU TO JUMP AHEAD, AND COMPOUND THE PROBLEM. LIKE SEEING A PIC WHERE I LABELLED THE SPARK PLUG WIRES ON THE DISTRIBUTOR. YOUR DISTRIBUTOR MAY BE SET UP COGS AWAY FROM "TEXTBOOK"---BUT STILL FUNCTION FINE WITH THE WIRES ALL 2 POSTS CW FROM THE PIC. CHANGING IT WOULD COMPOUND THE PROBLEM!

4) WE NEED THE FOLLOWINGFOR "COMBUSTION" I WILL GET YOU THEREONE STEP AT A TIME!

A) FUEL AND CORRECT AIR/ FUEL MIX. DELIVERED AND MIXED RIGHT (NO VACUUM LEAKS)

B) SPARK AND AT THE RIGHT TIMEON NEWER MODELS---THIS "12 VOLT BEGINNING" MIGHT GO THRU MANY SWITCHES, ELECTRONICS, AND MECHANICALS BEFORE IT EVEN GETS TO THE COIL AND ON TO THE SPARK PLUGS. WE'LL TEST THIS STUFF!

C) COMPRESSION---THIS IS USUALLY A MECHANICAL THING. GOOD/ WORN ENGINE PARTS/ OR EVEN VALVE TIMING ISSUES MIGHT MAKE COMPRESSION HAPPEN AT THE WRONG TIME

IT IS IMPORTANT YOU TELL ME TEST RESULTS.I DON'T MIND MEGA DETAIL. YOU WILL GET SICK OF MINE!

OK---HERE'S WHAT I KNOW----SO FAR

starter. YOU HAVE THE LITTLE WIRE INSTALLED ON THE LITTLE TERMINAL? THE POSITIVE
BATTERY CABLE IS ON THE BIG LUG FURTHEST FROM THE STARTER BODY?
Battery, POS AND NEG ARE NOT CROSSED

iignition coil, ARE YOU SURE THEY GAVE YOU THE CORRECT COIL---DOUBLE CHECK!

Ignition switch, - ARE YOU SURE IT IS THE ONE FOR TILT---IN THIS LINK "FORWARD" IS THE LEFT END
(SORTA ROUND) --THE REAR IS SQUARED. IF YOU HAVE THE WRONG
ONE, IT WILL MOUNT OPPOSITE
I WILL HAVE TO GET AND LOOK OVER THE STARTING CIRCUIT WIRING DIAGRAM

fuel pump relay, I THOUGHT THIS WAS A MECHANICAL FUEL PUMP?

All fueses, CORRECT SIZES IN EACH SLOT?

Carborator, WHAT KIND OF CARBURETOR DID YOU INSTALL, CAN YOU SEND ME A LINK OF IT,
FROM WHERE YOU GOT IT?

Mechanical fuel pump, IS IT MECHANICAL OR ELECTRIC.I PREFER MECHANICAL, WORKS
GREAT, FEW THINGS GO WRONG, IT'S REALLY CHEAP!

All light bulbs exteriorFINE

and battery cables ----POSITIVE TO BIG STARTER LUG----NEGATIVE DIRECTLY TO ENGINE BLOCK

ARE YOU 100% SURE THE BATTERY IS FULLY CHARGED?

DID YOU PULL THE DISTRIBUTOR OUT OF THE ENGINE?

I BEEN IN 6 CJ 5s AND 1 WILLYS SINCE I WAS ALLOWED ON THE ASPHALT IN 1981!

PRESENTLY STILL HAVE THE LAST '77 CJ 5 AND THE '46 WILLY'S, GOT BOTH OF 'EM IN 1991

IT'S OK TO HAVE "EXACT PARTS"BUT THEY AIN'T GOTTA BE THE EXPENSIVE, OEM, FROM THE STEALERSHIP KIND. USUALLY THEY GIVE A ONE YEAR OR WAY LESS WARRANTY

I'VE BEEN DIYing FOREVER---FROM MY 1ST TOYS TILL NOW----THERE IS USUALLY NOTHING WRONG USING AFTER-MARKET PARTS. WARRANTY'S RANGE FROM "NONE" TO "LIFETIME".I HAVE FOUND IT EZier TIME AND TIME AGAIN THAT EXCHANGING A PART AT A PARTS STORE, NORMALLY WILL HAPPEN, AND WITH NO HASSLE.I CAN HONESTLY SAY, THAT HAS NOT BEEN THE CASE AT A STEALERSHIP

I KNOW THE CJs VERY WELL----I DO ALL OF MY OWN JEEP WORK, 'CEPT FOR ENGINE MACHINING, AND WHEEL ALIGNMENTS. JUST SO YOU KNOW, I'M A PLUMBER, ALWAYS WILL BE AN AIRBORNE RANGER, I WORK PART TIME AT AN AUTO PARTS STORE

PEOPLE WITH JEEPS AROUND HERE, SOMETIMES SEEK ME OUT, IT'S A COMMON THING TO BE IN PUBLIC WITH MY WIFE AND BE APPROACHED WITH THE OPENING LINE, "YOU'RE THE JEEP GUY, AREN'T YOU?". NORMALLY THIS RESULTS IN REPAIRING ONE VERBALLY (FOR A WHILE) AT WAL-MART, AND THE WIFE GETS PISSED

SO IT DIED ON IT'S OWN AT A LIGHT

THIS IS STUFF I WANT YOU TO DO NOW---AND TELL ME YOU DID IT!

!) PUT 2 SPOONFULS OF GAS DOWN THE CARB---IMMEDIATELY TRY TO CRANK ITWHAT DOES IT DO. EXACTLY. DO IT AGAIN!

2) DISREGARD MY READING---WHAT DO YOU GET AT THE POSITIVE SIDE OF THE COIL WITH THE KEY ON---SEE 1ST PIC

3) HAVE YOU PULLED THE DISTRIBUTOR OUT?

ARE YOU CHECKED FOR EMISSIONS IN YOUR AREA?

MORE THAN 1/2 OF THE CRAP ON YOU ENGINE, PROBABLY DOES NOT WORK, AND IS USELESS, IT TAKES ONLY A FEW VACUUM LINES TO MAKE IT RUN FINE----YOUR STOCK CARB COULD BE REPLACED WITH A CARTER BBD USED ON A 1979 CJ, AND FOR 1/2 THE COST----THEY ARE ALMOST THE SAME EXCEPT FOR THE STEPPER MOTOR ON THE REAR

MY "NEW FOUND FRIEND" RICK'S CJ 7 IS AN '86---( HE FOUND ME AT A STOP LIGHT!) MUCH OF THE CRAP WAS CARRIED ONTO THE WRANGLERS WITH A 258----WE'VE REMOVED THE CRAP (VACUUM AND WIRING)---INSTALLED A '79 REMAN CARB. PURRS LIKE A KITTENSEE MY PICS

WE CAN EVEN GET RID OF MORE---IT MIGHT THEN LOOK EMPTY AND SIMILAR TO UNDER MY HOOD. LAST PIC

STEPHEN W/ A 1987 YJ WILL BE HERE TOMORROW OR TUESDAY, I'LL GET SOME SHOTS OF HIS TOO, BEFORE WE ADD A LEAF TO MY REAR SPRINGS

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I GUESS MY 1ST PIC DIDN'T MAKE IT. HERE IT IS

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THE CARB YOU POSTED LOOKS LIKE THE ONE ON THE LEFT IN MY PIC (1979)

THE ONE ON THE RIGHT IN MY PIC IS WHAT WAS USED LATER ON (APPROX '83 ON UP)

NOTE: IT HAS A STEPPER MOTOR ON IT'S REAR (RIGHT SIDE IN THE PIC). DOES YOURS?

WE WILL GET YOU RUNNING!

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THANK YOU FOR RETURNING!

COIL TEST RESULTS?????????

IT IS "TURNING OVER".......AND JUST WON'T BUST OFF?

......OR NOT TURNING OVER? I WANT YOU TO DO THIS ONE MORE TIME.....INSURE THE BATTERY IS AT 100%

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DO YOU THINK YOU COULD SEE IF VOLTAGE IS COMING TO AND LEAVING THIS WHERE AND WHEN IT SHOULD IN THE DIFFERENT KEY SWITCH POSITIONS........OR DO YOU NEED HELP?

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IF IT STILL WON'T TURN OVER----STOP---LET ME KNOW BEFORE YOU CONTINUE ON WITH MY TESTING.....WE WILL TEST MORE WITHIN THIS "NO START" PROBLEM

..........CONTINUING ON, MEANS IT IS TURNING OVER

THE LAST SEVEN "REAL JEEPS" HAVE NOT RESPONDED AT ALL........SAD THING IS, MOST OF 'EM WERE CJs ..........MAKES ME SAD THAT THEY WOULDN'T LET ME UNDER THEIR HOOD (: (

I SAVED YOUR PICS TO "MY PICs"----LIGHTENED 'EM UP, BLEW 'EM UP SO I COULD SEE GOOD

LOOKS LIKE THAT PUPPY IS STILL PRETTY MUCH INTACT----IF YOU ARE NOT EMISSIONS CHECKED, A LOT OF IT COULD DISAPPEAR, ELIMINATING VACUUM LEAK POSSIBILITIES. NORMALLY, ALL OF THAT CRAP JUST GOES TO OPERATE THE LITTLE MOTOR ON THE BACK OF THE CARB........IF SOMETHING IN THE WHOLE MESS AIN'T WORKING, IT'S ALL SORTA USELESS!

IF THEY CHECK YOU IN YOUR AREA.....CAN'T DO IT, UNLESS THEY GRANDFATHER IN OLDER STUFF, WITH MINIMAL TESTS

I SAW IN PIC 2 THAT YOU JUST SENT, NEED TO HOOK UP THE FUEL FILTER....SEE MY PICS

GLAD TO SEE YOU HAVE NOT TRIED TO ELIMINATE THE MECHANICAL FUEL PUMP!!!!

AND YOU HAVE NOT MESSED WITH THE DISTRIBUTOR (MODIFYING IT).....GOOD!

LET'S LOOK AT THIS LITTLE MONSTER.......I'M PRETTY SURE IT'S THE SAME AS A CJs, 'CEPT THE CONNECTORS ARE DIFFERENT

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LETS TEST THE IGNITION MODULE

SNATCH THE IGNITION MODULE OFF

TAKE IT TO ADVANCE AUTO (IF POSSIBLE) OR ANOTHER PARTS STORE (CALL TO SEE WHO CAN DO IT)

HAVE IT TESTED 5-8 TIMES (NO MATTER HOW WHINY THEY MAY GET)

WE ARE LOOKING FOR A PASS--EACH TEST.......ONE FAIL...REPLACE IT

THIS IS THE MACHINE---THIS MACHINE CAN BE USED FOR MANY DIFFERENT MODULES

........THE CORRECT CONNECTORS NEEDED TO TEST "CJ" MODULES IS ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE MACHINE IN MY PIC.....I LAID THEM THERE MYSELF!

...........SORRY I DIDN'T SNAP A PIC WITH THE CONNECTOR FOR YOURS........PIC 6....BUT YOU GET THE IDEA......PICS 3 AND 4

WE WILL DO SOME DISTRIBUTOR TESTING NEXT

HAVE YOU MOVED IT, OR TAKEN IT OUT???..........DON'T!....LET ME KNOW IF YOU DID!

BEEN SO LONG, I HAVE TO KEEP GOING UP AND READING ALL OF IT AGAIN......SORRY IF I REPEAT STUFF......I WILL GET YOU THRU IT

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YOUR "PCV" IS IN THE GROMMET/ AND HOLE IN THE FRONT OF THE VALVE COVER

. WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE "OTHER HOLE" IN THE REAR OF THE VALVE COVER, THAT I CANNOT SEE. WHAT'S IN IT. WHERE DOES IT GO TO. TAKE A PIC, IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHERE IT GOES

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JUST LETTING YOU KNOW THAT I SEE YOUR ADDITION TO THIS POST. MUST GO TO WORK RIGHT NOW

I'LL REPLY BACK LATER THIS EVENING, WHEN I HAVE TIME TO GIVE YOU A DECENT/ MAYBE MEANINGFUL ANSWER

LEMME KNOW IF YOU ARE EMISSIONS CHECKED IN YOU REGION. THE WAY IT SOUNDS, YOU HAVE A 258 ALSO?

A FEW WELL LIT PICS WITH THE HOOD LAID BACK ON THE WINDSHIELD ALSO DOES ME SOME GOOD SOMETIMES TOO!

YES, I DO LOVE JEEPS, MORE THAN YOU CAN IMAGINE.I HATE TO HEAR ABOUT ONE THAT IS SICK

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OH YEAH,

SNATCH THE AIR CLEANER OFF, IF YOU TAKE SOME PICS!

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I'VE AIDED IN THE WIRING PORTION OF THE "NUTTER BYPASS" SEVERAL TIMES

WE AIN'T CHECKED DOWN HERE IN .S.C. (IN MY REGION ANYWAY) SO WE'RE WIDE OPEN TO TAKE OFF WHATEVER WE WANT

MOST OF THIS CRAP IS REALLY OLD AND A LOT OF IT IS NOT WORKING/ OR WORKING RIGHT ANYWAY--SO WE SORTA FIGURE GETTING IT TO RUN MOST EFFICIENTLY IS BETTER'N RUNNING CRAPPY WITH THE USELESS STUFF.

ON A CJ, ENGINE WISE, WE ONLY NEED 2 VACUUM LINES TO RUN THE ENGINE ....RUN IT WELL (I HAVE A THIRD ONE TO RUN A DASH MOUNTED VACUUM GAUGE)......IF I HAD POWER BRAKES, I'D NEED ANOTHER ONE!...........LESS LINES, LESS CHANCE OF A VACUUM LEAK!

THE OLE YJ IS GONNA NEED A FEW MORE----HVAC CONTROLS/ FRONT AXLE/ POWER BRAKES/ ANY OTHER "HAVE TOs"EVERYTHING ELSE IS JUNK!

WE'LL GET MORE INTO THE VACUUM STUFF LATER.....IF YOU HANG WITH ME

HERE'S A VIDEO ABOUT THE NUTTER BYPASS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZr0luFWPB4

THIS IS A DECENT VIDEO----OR WAY SORTA AIN'T ALL THE SAME---MAINLY, IT'S WHAT WORKS BEST FOR YOU!

NORMALLY WHEN WE "NUTTER" .....WE JUST ADD IN THE "MISSING BLACK WIRE" FROM THE IGNITION MODULE TO THE DISTRIBUTORAS FOUND ON THE OLDER CJs (SEE 1979 DIAGRAM I DOCTORED UP---1ST PIC) MAYBE YOU CAN READ IT....SMALL TEXT

THE DIAGRAM IS A 1979---I TRY TO EXPLAIN THE BLACK WIRE THAT IS MISSING ON A YJ----LOOK AT YOURS.....NO BLACK WIRE! THE BLACK ONE GOES INTO THE COMPUTER.......BYPASSING IT, MEANS THE COMPUTER AIN'T IN CHARGE ANY-MORE......YOU ARE BACK TO SIMPLE BASICS OF A '79 AND SURROUNDING YEARS

AS FAR AS THE CARB GOES....SEEMS YOU HAVE A NEW ONE.....PROBABLY THE SAME KIND YOU HAD.............THE VIDEO MAY HELP YOU THERE!

WE JUST GET RID OF THE STEPPER MOTOR EXPENSIVE CARB.......TURN IT IN AS A CORE, AFTER WE ARE RUNNING PERFECT, WHEN WE PURCHASE A RE-MANUFACTURED CARB (DON'T EVER TURN IN A CORE TILL EVERYTHING IS 100 % GOOD!) I'VE SEEN SEVERAL PEOPLE LOSE THEIR BRACKETS AND AIR CLEANER STUD.......'CAUSE THEY JUMPED THE GUN!

A 1979 REMAN AT ADVANCE AUTO PARTS IS ABOUT $100 CHEAPER THAN THE NEWER STEPPER TYPEABOUT 2 WEEKS OR SO AGO, MY FRIEND FOUND 167 "BRAND NEW" (NOT REMANs) BBD CARBS (NO STEPPER) ON EBAY FOR $150 EACH. WE INSTALLED IT 3 DAYS AGO.....ALTHOUGH IT WAS NOT A "CARTER" IT WAS A PERFECT COPY.

USING A '79 CARB---WE ALSO USE A '79 PCV .......THE CARB IS DESIGNED TO USE THAT PCVs AIRFLOW.......REQUIRES A $5 PCV AND A SMALLER HOLE IN THE VALVE COVER GROMMET....ANOTHER $3 !

(I CAN CHECK ON A PART NUMBER FOR YOU IF YOU LIKE)......I CAN ALSO SHOW YOU HOW TO SAVE $40 ON ONE FROM ADVANCE.......IF YOU GO THIS ROUTE

IT RAN PERFECT!!!!!

NOW.......TO GET THINGS RUNNING BETTER----WE GOTTA GET THINGS "UP TO DATE" ON SCHEDULED MAINTENANCEELIMINATE VACUUM LEAKS----TUNE CORRECTLY

SOMETIMES THIS IS HARD TO EXPLAIN---IN MY GARAGE---WITH MY HANDS ON.......I HOPE THIS IS MAKING SENSE SO FAR!!!

I'VE ANSWERED MANY MANY OF THE CJ 5 AND 7 POSTS (LOOK THERE IF YOU WANT)HERE'S JUST ONE GOOD ONE THAT ENCOMPASSES A LOT OF STUFF.......THIS MAY SORTA HELP YOU SEE THE TUNING STUFF

https://www.2carpros.com/questions/1982-jeep-cj7-ignition-problem-spark-distributor-cap

HERE'S ANOTHER ONE WHO KEPT ME GOING!

https://www.2carpros.com/questions/1985-jeep-cj7-inconsistent-curb-idle-low-power-hi-rpms

I CAN SHOOT SO MANY MORE, ABOUT DIFFERENT STUFF AT YOU!

KEEP INFO COMING----ASK ANYTHING---I'LL TRY TO ANSWERHAVE I THROWN ANY GOOD STUFF AT YOU THUS FAR?

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