I have a 1985 CJ7 6cyl 258 ci. That goes through ingnition modules like they are cookies.

OK BOSS WE HAVE A RESISTANCE/ WIRING PROBLEM SOMEWHERE

I CAN HELP YOU FIND YOUR PROBLEM

. IF YOU WILL KEEP RESPONDING. AND ACTUALLY DO THE STUFF I ASK. AND REPORT BACK WITH YOUR FINDINGS

AND NOT MIX IN WHAT YOUR BUDDY'S ARE THROWING AT YOU!

I WILL GLADLY AID YOU AS MUCH AS I CAN---IF YOU WILL INVESTIGATE THE CJ5 & 7 FORUMS YOU WILL SEE THREADS OF 75 TO OVER 100 RESPONSES THAT I HAVE AIDED WITH

DO YOU HAVE A VOLTMETER. CAN YOU USE IT WITH DC VOLTS AND DO CONTINUITY TESTS WITH IT? (I MAY CAN HELP THERE TOO)

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LETS START WITH THE IGNITION MODULE

"THEY" ARE "USUALLY" PEOPLE WHO TALK A LOT OF JUNK, AND WOULD NOT BET THEIR LIFE ON THEIR INFORMATION

PLEASE SEND ME A PIC OF YOUR IGN MODULE MODIFICATION--AND A PIC OF WHERE/ WHAT IT DOES FOR A CARB

THEN SNATCH THE IGNITION MODULE OFF---BUTT-SPLICE ANYTHING BACK TOGETHER THAT YOU MESSED WITH

TAKE IT TO ADVANCE AUTO (IF POSSIBLE)

HAVE IT TESTED 5-8 TIMES (NO MATTER WHAT THEY MIGHT SAY)

WE ARE LOOKING FOR A PASS--EACH TEST

THIS IS THE MACHINE---THIS MACHINE CAN BE USED FOR MANY DIFFERENT MODULES. THE CORRECT CONNECTOR NEEDED TO TEST YOUR MODULE IS ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE MACHINE IN MY PIC.I LAID IT THERE MYSELF!

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STILL HERE?

ANY PROGRESS?

I SURE WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT MODIFYING THE IGN MODULES DOES FOR THE CARB?

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SO HOW MUCH OF THIS COMPUTER/ VACUUM STUFF IS STILL 100% LIKE IT LEFT THE FACTORY?

IF EVERY COMPONENT WAS STILL WORKING (OR EVEN STILL THERE) ON YOUR 27 YEAR OLD CJ.I MIGHT COULD SEE THE MODS YOU ARE SPEAKING OF

EGR---NOT EVEN ABLE TO USE IT, IF YOU INSTALL HEADERS. MY CONCLUSION IS IT IS USELESS AS FAR AS ENGINE PERFORMANCE GOES

I'M NOT REAL FAMILIAR WITH YOUR NEW CARB, BUT I DON'T SEE THE NEED TO MODIFY YOUR IGNITION AT ALL

BELOW IS PICS OF "RICK'S '85" AND MY '77 AND '46

WE CLEANED HIS ENGINE W/ PURPLE POWER

WE TOOK ALL VACUUM LINES LOOSE THAT WERE UNNECESSARY---THE ONLY ONES REMAINING ARE "PCV"--"DISTRIBUTOR ADVANCE (MANIFOLD VACUUM)" --"CHOKE PULL OFF"

TIED UP HIS MESS OF UNNECESSARY WIRING (TO BE CHOPPED OUT LATER)

WE MOUNTED THE INTAKE/ EXHAUST CORRECTLY, WHICH REPAIRED 2 KNOWN INTAKE LEAKS

WE REMOVED THE '85 STEPPER CARB (STEPPER INOPERABLE, AS MOST OLD ONES ARE)

WE INSTALLED A REBUILT 1979 BBD CARB (IT HAS NO STEPPER MOTOR, IT'S A "PLAIN JANE BBD") FROM ADVANCE AUTO (USING PROMO CODES/ ORDERED AND PAID FOR ONLINE/ PICKED UP AT STORE)----WE KEPT THE CORE ($50 REFUNDABLE) UNTIL ALL WAS 100% ON AND RUNNING, IN THE END HIS COST WAS A LITTLE OVER $200 FOR THE CARB

ALONG WITH THE CARB, WE INSTALLED A PCV FOR A '79 (MATCHED WITH '79 CARB'S COMBUSTION AIR NEEDS)

WE DID NO IGNITION MODS OTHER THAN VACUUM ADVANCE IS NOW RUNNING ON "MANIFOLD VACUUM". NOT "PORTED VACUUM"

AFTER SETTING THE TIMING. IDLE SPEED. VERIFY TIMING. SETTING THE MIXTURE SCREWS. RECHECK IDLE SPEED. ADJUST CHOKE. ADJUST HIGH IDLE STEPS. IT WAS DONE!

IT PURRED LIKE A KITTEN. IN FACT, I REACHED OVER AND IDLED IT DOWN TO 250 RPM. IT RAN SMOOTH AS SILK! (RICK ALMOST WAS HAVING AN ORGANISM!). OF COURSE I GOT IT BACK UP TO 680 RPM (TUNE UP SPECS)

RICK IS ABOUT 60 YEARS OLD, HE APPROACHED ME WANTING TO KNOW IF I KNEW ANYONE WHO COULD TUNE HIS JEEP (HE SAW I HAD ONE). HIS IDLED TOO HIGH, RAN ROUGH AND WOULD SHUT OFF, WHEN HE STOPPED. I TOLD HIM I WOULD HELP HIM (HE TOOK THAT TO MEAN, HE WOULD DROP IT OFF AND PAY ME). RICK HAS PAID FOR AUTO WORK ALL OF HIS LIFE.

RICK WAS WRONG!

I PROVIDED THE DRIVEWAY AND GARAGE

I SHOWED HIM WHAT NEEDED TO BE DONE---MADE HIM DO IT!

I EXPLAINED EVERYTHING TO HIM---TIMING----ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE 4 STROKES OF A 4 STROKE ENGINE. HE IS EAGER FOR MORE!

I SUPPLIED ALL OF THE TOOLS, METERS, MANUALS ETC.

RICK BOASTS ON WHAT HE HAS ACHIEVED.I'M PROUD OF HIM TOO!

THIS IS WHAT I REALLY TRY TO DO FOR THE CJs THAT COME TO 2CARPROS

THE LAST PIC IS MY '77 CJ 5----IT'S BASICALLY HOW YOUR '85 STARTED OUT. THERE WAS LITTLE CRAP, AND NO COMPUTER

I HAVE MADE MANY MODIFICATIONS TO MAKE MY WHOLE JEEP EVEN MORE USER-FRIENDLIER

YOU WILL SEE IN THIS PIC MY "OFFENHAUSER" 4 BBL INTAKE AND MY HOLLEY 390 CFM CARB (IT IS "CORRECTLY JETTED", FOR MY DRIVING HABITS USING AN O2 SENSOR AND AN AIR/ FUEL RATIO GAUGE, PERMANENTLY INSTALLED).I GET ABOUT 18 MPG ON THE HWY

I HAVE OWNED NOTHING BUT CJs SINCE I GOT MY DRIVER'S LICENSE IN 1981 (PRESENTLY HAVE #S 6 AND 7 [7, IS A '46 WILLYS])

I HAVE TRIED NEARLY EVERY "GIMMICK" TO IMPROVE MPGs, I WAS ONLY ABLE TO GET ABOUT 16 MPGs FROM A BBD CONSISTENTLY. THEN I TRIED A WEBER DGEV, AND NOW THE HOLLEY. THE HOLLEY IS EZ TO ADJUST, PARTS ARE LOCAL, MPG IS GREAT, LOTS OF POWER IF I GET ON IT, COMPARED TO THE OTHERS.I DON'T "GET ON IT" OFTEN

DOES YOUR NEW CARB HAVE A STEPPER, AND HOOK ON TO THE CJs CONNECTOR?

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THE REST

IF FUNDS ARE AN ISSUE

GRAB A NEW TAB

TYPE IN "PROMO CODES FOR _____" (ADVANCE AUTO, AUTOZONE, WHERE EVER!) LOOK FOR THE BEST DEAL YOU CAN FIND (SOME EVEN HAVE COUPONS FOR LATER)

THEN GO TO THEIR ONLINE SITE

PUT IN YOU VEHICLE INFO, CLICK START SHOPPING, FIND YOUR MODULE

TAKE IT TO SHOPPING CART, INSTALL YOUR PROMO CODE, THEN PURCHASE IT ON LINE, PRINT YOUR RECEIPT ........INSTEAD OF SHIPPING IT TO YOU, PICK IT UP AT THE STORE!

I'VE SEEN PEOPLE SAVE 40% BUYING BATTERIES AND OTHER STUFF, DOING IT THIS WAY!

LOOKY HERE!!!!

http://shop.advanceautoparts.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_Ignition-Control-Module-BWD_5240484-P_194_R%7CGRPTUNEAMS_____

LIFETIME WARRANTY ALSO, IF THEY CANNOT TEST THIS ONE, THEY SHOULD HONOR THE WARRANTY AND DEFECT IT OUT AND GIVE YOU ANOTHER

IT'S NOT GONNA HURT TO KEEP A SPARE ONE, EVEN IF THE OTHER "IS GOOD"

I KEEP A SPARE IGN MODULE, FUEL PUMP, AND COIL IN MY JEEP AT ALL TIMES, ALONG WITH MANY TOOLS AND SMALL PARTS FOR ANYTHING

THE AUTO SALVAGE YARD--SELF SERVE TYPE, MIGHT EVEN BE CHEAPER----ANY '70s OR '80s FORD VEHICLE WITH A MODULE THAT LOOKS LIKE YOURS WILL WORK....KEEP IN MIND WHERE THE WIRES COME OUT OF IT HAS A "BLUE" PLASTIC WIRE HOLDER, YOU MUST GET THE SAME (RED, YELLOW, ETC. PLASTIC THINGEE IS NOT THE SAME AS YOURS) SEE THE "BLUE" IN MY LINK ABOVEAT MY LOCAL SALVAGE YARDS, THIS MIGHT COST $5 DOWN TO THEM JUST GIVING IT TO ME.

https://www.2carpros.com/questions/1993-saturn-sl1-shoulder-belt-mechanism-stuck

I'M GONNA SEND YOU PRIVATE MESSAGE, TO GET TO IT, CLICK ON YOUR NAME AT THE TOP OF THE PAGE, THEN LOOK TO THE LEFT FOR MESSAGES

WE'RE KINDA STUCK, NOT KNOWING WHETHER YOUR OLD MODULE IS GOOD, OR EVEN IF A NEW ONE IS GOOD....IT WOULD BE NICE TO TRY ANOTHER ONE TO GET US STARTED

THE BEST WAY TO REMOVE THE WIRES FROM A MODULE IS TO FIRMLY GRASP THE WIRES ON EITHER SIDE OF THE CONNECTOR AN PULL HARD (DIGGING AT THE CONNECTOR WITH A SCREWDRIVER, ETC. USUALLY JUST BREAKS OFF THE LOCKS) BESIDES, THE FACTORY MANUAL SAYS TO DO IT LIKE THAT

UNDER YOUR HOOD LOOKS GOOD!....MIGHT STILL, ELIMINATE MORE USELESS CRAP!

A/C IS CHEATING! (DOES A/C HAVE A WORKING SOLENOID TO STEP UP IDLE WHEN THE A/C IS ON?)

LOOK FOR A MESSAGE SOON

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LETS TRY 1950s "GRAND THEFT AUTO, JUST FOR A QUICK TEST

POSITIVE BATTERY TO POSITIVE COIL

SEE MY PICS---INSURE THE CONNECTIONS ARE GOOD!

COME BACK WITH YOUR RESULTS OF TRYING THIS, IT MAY STEER US IN A BETTER DIRECTION TO FIND THE PROBLEM

I DO HAVE PICS OF OTHER TESTS TO TRY IF NEED-BE --SO DO YOUR BEST WITH EACH

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LET'S NOT MODIFY IT. LETS KEEP IT SORTA NORMAL

WE MAY HAVE SOMETHING ELSE CAUSING THIS PROBLEM, WE JUST GOTTA NARROW IT DOWN

WHEN I MOVED HERE, TO THIS HOUSE, THE FELLER ACROSS THE STREET HAS A '83 CJ 7, FOR MONTHS I HEARD HIM TURNING THE JEEP OVER FOR 5 MINUTES STRAIGHT BEFORE IT WOULD CATCH. EVERY OTHER DAY IT WOULD BACKFIRE LIKE A CANNON. IT'D FINALLY CATCH, OFF TO WORK HE WOULD GO!

AFTER I FINALLY MET HIM, I SUGGESTED I TAKE A LOOK AT IT

SOMEONE---HIS TUNE UP GUY/ SO CALLED MECHANIC, YEARS BEFORE, WAS TASKED IN GETTING IT TO RUN

EVERYTHING WAS STOCK, OTHER THAN THIS AND THAT BEING REMOVED OVER THE YEARS

FOR SOME STUPID REASON, THE GUY CUT THE BLACK WIRE ON THE WAY TO THE DISTRIBUTOR AND INSTALLED A STAKE-ON RING AND GROUNDED IT TO THE ENGINE?

I PUT IT BACK LIKE IT WAS AND WE PERFORMED A MAJOR TUNE UP---STARTS WITH MAYBE HALF A TURN OF THE CRANK NOW. NO MORE CANNON SHOTS WAKING ME UP!

NEIGHBOR IS SORTA A CHEAPO KINDA GUY, NEEDS TO CHANGE THE CARB, AND REBUILD HIS TRANNY, ALONG W/ A GOOD BIT OF COSMETICS

JUST FOR GIGGLES, AND THIS IS VERY SIMPLE. TAKE WHAT WOULD AMOUNT TO A 20 OZ SODA BOTTLE PLASTIC "CAPS/ TOPS" POUR 3 CAPFULS OF FUEL INTO THE CARB, ATTEMPT TO CRANK IT. LET ME KNOW EXACTLY HOW IT ACTS. DO ALL OF THIS OUTSIDE, A WET TOWEL AND A FIRE EXTINGUISHER TO USE. JUST IN CASE!

WHEN YOU SUBMIT YOUR FINDINGS, AND MAYBE THEY AIN'T SO GREAT

WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT TESTS

THIS WILL NOT BEAT US!

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YOU ARE DOING GOOD!

ROGER ON FIRING IT UP!

STARTER FLUID IS JUST FINE, YOU SHOULD NOT NEED BUT A SHORT BURST OR TWO. BE PREPARED SHOULD YOU START A FIRE.I JUST WANNA KNOW IF IT DOES ATTEMPT TO BUST OFF, YOU CAN STOP AFTER A FEW ATTEMPTS. SO NO NEED IN CONTINUOUSLY DOING IT, IF IT DON'T SPIT AND SPUTTER AND COUGH AND AC LIKE IT WANTS TO

IF THE IGNITION FROM THE KEY IS WORKING, THE JUMPER IS JUST "INSURANCE".

IF THE IGNITION FROM THE KEY DOES NOT WORK. THE JUMPER WILL TAKE OVER.

. IF IT DOES START, REMOVING THE JUMPER OR TURNING OFF THE KEY WILL KILL IT.

I'LL HELP YOU WITH ANYTHING ON YOUR JEEP. UNTIL YOU GET TIRED OF ME.

CONTINUE USING THE SAME THREAD, IF YOU START A NEW QUESTION, I MAY MISS YOU.

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TRY THE MODULE 1ST

AND A SHOT OF FUEL IN THE CARB

THE JUMPER JUST TAKES THE PLACE OF "ON" OF THE KEY POSITION. USE IT JUST AS A TEST, OR FOR EMERGENCY DRIVING ONLY A FUSE IN IT (THE JUMPER) WILL ALSO PREVENT WIRES MELTING OR A FIRE, SHOULD THERE BE A SHORT IN THE ORIGINAL WIRING ("ON" CIRCUIT OF THE KEY). SO IF YOUR JUMPER FUSE BLOWS, CEASE TRYING TO DO IT THAT WAY!

IF IT DOES RUN WITH THE JUMPER AND KEY "ON"----TURNING THE KEY OFF AND REMOVING THE THE JUMPER, IS THE ONLY WAY TO KILL THE ENGINE

HERE'S THE FUSE LAY OUT AGAIN (PIC)IF YOU NEED TO USE THE JUMPER

(POS BATTERY TO POS COIL. INSURE COIL GETS A GOOD CONNECTION)

IF THIS DOES NOT WORK, DON'T GO WILD, LET ME KNOW AND WE WILL ATTEMPT ANOTHER APPROACH

ALWAYS HAVE A FIRE EXTINGUISHER HANDY AND TOOLS TO QUICKLY SNATCH BATTERY CABLES LOOSE IN A CRISIS.A QUICK DISCONNECT AT THE BATTERY IS A REAL GOOD ITEM TO INSTALL. SEE SOMETHING BAD HAPPENING. KILL IT FAST!

GENERALLY YOU FREAK OUT IN A CRISIS, THINKING IS TOUGH. YOU AND YOUR PALS SHOULD PRACTICE THE "KILL" PROCEDURES, INSTEAD OF SCREAMING AT EACH OTHER!

THESE ARE ALWAYS A PLUS WHILE WORKING WIRING, OR AS A THEFT DETERRENT. YOU MAY LOSE THE MEMORY ON YOUR RADIO, BUT YOUR JEEP WILL BE SAFER!

KEEP US POSTED

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TEST THIS WITHOUT UNBOLTING/ TWISTING/ OR REMOVING THE DISTRIBUTOR

IF IT TESTS BAD---I WILL EXPLAIN "UN-INSTALL" SO THAT "INSTALL" OF THE NEXT ONE WILL BE EZ

IF YOU REMOVE IT OWN YOUR OWN, WITHOUT MY STEPS, IT WILL BE MORE DIFFICULT TO RE-INSTALL. BUT NOT THE END OF THE WORLD!

SET YOUR VOLTMETER TO "OHMS"---WE ARE TESTING THE DISTRIBUTOR THE CONNECTOR MUST BE DISCONNECTED FROM THE HARNESS

WE ARE LOOKING FOR CONTINUITY IN 2 PLACES

---BOTTOM PIN TO DIST BODY (GROUND)

---CONTINUITY BETWEEN THE SIDE BY SIDE PINS (PICK UP COIL)

THE ABOVE PICS ARE OF MY '77 JEEP, NOW WITH IMPROVED MOTORCRAFT DIST AND IGNITION. LIKE YOURS CAME FROM THE FACTORY WITH

THE LAST 2 TESTS ARE FOR THE COIL--WRITE DOWN YOUR RESULTS---MY LAST 2 PICS ARE FOR A FORD TRUCK, DISREGARD THE VALUES (I WILL LOOK UP WHAT YOUR VALUES SHOULD BE IN "ONE OF MY REPAIR MANUALS"!)

EVEN THOUGH SOME OF THIS IS NEW, NEW STUFF CAN BE BAD TOO!

TEST RESULTS?

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YOUR COIL IS WITHIN SPECS:

PRIMARY 1.13-1.23 OHMS (75 DEG F [COLD]) HOT WOULD BE 1.50 OHMS (200 DEG F)

SECONDARY 7700-9300 OHMS (75 DEG F[COLD]) HOT WOULD BE 12000 (200 DEG F)

YOUR METER WAS NOT ON THE CORRECT SETTING (YOU DIDN'T KNOW) THE DECIMALS ARE ALL THAT MOVED. NO BIG DEAL, COIL IS FINE!

THE ABOVE INFO IS FROM HAYNES' JEEP CJ CHAPTER 5 PAGE 5-1

AS FOR THE 3 PINS IN THE DISTRIBUTOR CONNECTOR THE SIDE BY SIDE ONES ARE FINE (YOU HAVE CONTINUITY!)

AS FOR THE 3RD PIN (GROUND), THERE SHOULD BE CONTINUITY BETWEEN IT AND THE BODY OF THE DISTRIBUTOR."1" MEANS "NO CONTINUITY

RETEST THIS PIN TO THE BODY---AND/OR TO THE SCREW INSIDE, IT MUST HAVE A GOOD GROUND TO THE DISTRIBUTORS BODY!

. EITHER THE BLACK WIRE IS BROKE BEFORE IT GETS INTO THE DIST

. OR IT'S NOT SCREWED IN WELL, IT WAS LEFT LOOSE WHEN YOU WERE IN THERE BEFORE

. TIGHTEN THE SCREW--OR TAKE IT LOOSE, SAND THE SURFACES THAT TOUCH

YOU MAY BE ABLE TO DETERMINE IF THE WIRE IS BROKE BY KEEPING THE TEST GOING, WHILE YOUR BUDDY MOVES THE WIRE AROUND (GENTLY) MOST LIKELY THE BREAK IS NEAR THE DIST

JUST IN CASE YOU GET CONFUSED:

CONTINUITY IS "OOO"/ "O"/ OR A RESISTANCE VALUE----ANYTHING BUT A "1"

NO CONTINUITY IS "1" ON THE METER, ABSOLUTELY NO CHANGE AT ALL

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HAVE YOU, OR YOUR "ENVIOUS EVIL BUDDIES", HAD THE DISTRIBUTOR OUT. EVEN A LITTLE BIT. OR HAS THE BODY BEEN ROTATED, BEFORE THE "NO BUST OFF" ISSUE BEGAN?

I MEANT TO TELL YOU. THAT'S A GOOD LOOKING RIG YOU GOT THERE!

I FEEL SURE YOU HAVE HAD MANY SUPER LOW, TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE OFFERS FOR IT TOO!

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