Is my flywheel too tight?

1982 AMC EAGLE
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I replaced my flywheel and starter now the car wont start, sometimes turns over slowly other times grinds, I have tried charging and jumping the battery same thing, could I have tightened the flywheel bolts too tight and it is binding?
Aug 4, 2012 at 3:56 PM
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have the starter check , it may need shimming or the starter drive is going bad on the starter. as long as you tightened the bolts to spec then don't worry about i.
Aug 4, 2012 at 4:18 PM
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It's definitely not too tight but could be the wrong flywheel or even installed backwards.
Aug 4, 2012 at 4:22 PM
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The flywheel is identical to the old one, I installed it the same way the other one was in, is that why the old flywheel was ground out then? Which way should it be facing?
Aug 4, 2012 at 4:25 PM
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is it a stick or automatic?
Aug 4, 2012 at 4:28 PM
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It is an automatic.
Aug 4, 2012 at 4:39 PM
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it cold be on backwards but it should have the dished part to the crankshaft. the part kinda like ) that towardsthe crank. but it cold be the wrong sizze like wrenchtech said as wellas starterdrive on starter. I dont' remember if those are shimmed starters or not, but i think not.
Aug 4, 2012 at 4:43 PM
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If it was identical, the existing starter would have worked if it worked on the old flywheel, assuming you didn't leave ay previously installed shims out.
Aug 4, 2012 at 4:43 PM
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I see, well the old flywheel must have been in backwards also then and thats why that one got chewed up, I bought the car like that put it all together back the way it was before but yeah I thought it didnt look right the dish part ( is facing out towards the transmission away from the crank so the old one was backwards too then if it should face the engine. Oh joy i get to do it again for a Third time :( One more thing there is a spacer ring does that go on the crank before or after the flywheel?
Aug 4, 2012 at 4:50 PM
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I think you have it in the right. I would expect the bevel to face away from the crank, otherwise it won't seat flat. The is a reinforcement plate that goes on the OUTSIDE of the flywheel but that won't affect the depth.
Aug 4, 2012 at 4:55 PM
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http://i1198.photobucket.com/albums/aa448/Wrenchtech/41826056.gif
Aug 4, 2012 at 4:56 PM
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So it IS in there right then? I am running out of ideas going crazy I have already had it all tore apart and back together twice already.
Aug 4, 2012 at 5:00 PM
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normally after the flywheel. if this has a pan where you can see there, try to manually engage the starter gear to look before you pull it all apart.
Aug 4, 2012 at 5:02 PM
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one other thing if that shim is on the wrong side of the flywheel it will push the flywheel further away from teh starter to make it engage. but if it's like the drawing you are ok.
Aug 4, 2012 at 5:04 PM
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I still think you have the wrong flywheel.
Aug 4, 2012 at 5:05 PM
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I can move the starter gear by hand I just bought the starter a few days ago. I thought the old starter was bad because of the grinding but the new one does the same thing. It sounds terrible like something is majorly wrong somewhere. I think i may have put that ring on the crank before the flywheel, is that why I am having this trouble?
Aug 4, 2012 at 5:08 PM
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yes it would shim the flywheel out to far from the starter. if the ring is like the drawing wrenchtech sent you you are ok, if it's on the other side then its' wrong.
Aug 4, 2012 at 5:09 PM
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If the flywheel isnt right then the old one wasnt either?
Aug 4, 2012 at 5:11 PM
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So hopefully if i take it all back apart again, put the ring on the side between the flywheel and transmission it should work ok?
Aug 4, 2012 at 5:13 PM
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put it like the chart shows and go from there.
Aug 4, 2012 at 5:14 PM
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Will do, guess I'll get back at it AGAIN.
Aug 4, 2012 at 5:16 PM
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check tooth count on both starters, i have come across this problem with some Ford's and Toyota's.
Aug 5, 2012 at 12:50 PM
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Ok so I took it all back apart and the torque converter is hard to turn, could it have came unseated?
Aug 5, 2012 at 6:53 PM
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if the torque converter doesn't line up with teh oil pump in the trans you will break the pump gears and the tarans won't work. it will be kind of hard to turn by hand. make sure it is seated all theway in thoughbefore installing.
Aug 5, 2012 at 8:50 PM
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I think the pump is broken I can not get the torque converter to move in either direction now
Aug 5, 2012 at 9:39 PM
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Can I replace the pump or is the whole trans shot now? It was never ran like this and all gears seem to work still e.g. park, neutral ect
Aug 5, 2012 at 9:45 PM
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not being a trans guy you are kind of asking for trouble. youcan take the pump out and apart and replace th pump inside, but there are rings that must be put on if you just get another one. if everything seems to work ok then you probably haavn'e hurt the pump just be careful that's all. it will turn harder when the converter is in place.
Aug 5, 2012 at 11:26 PM
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Thanks for the help, I have a feeling with my luck I screwed everything up and need a whole new transmission now :(
Aug 6, 2012 at 12:15 AM
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I guess 50 bucks to the junkyard it goes, shame too only 63000 miles, no rust and engine ran great oh well I guess you live and you learn
Aug 6, 2012 at 12:16 AM
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if you would have takent this to a pro to begine with you would have saved a ton of money and aggravation........
Aug 6, 2012 at 12:16 AM
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I know this but I did not have the money to pay to have it done in the first place or I would have, and all i spent out was 40 bucks for a starter......
Aug 6, 2012 at 12:24 AM
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So it was just the battery had a bad cell put a new one in fired right up somehow none of us thought of that? Weird, car runs and drives great like it did before
Aug 26, 2012 at 10:30 PM
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that's because you never gave a really good description of the problem.
Aug 26, 2012 at 11:28 PM
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Right, your answer is only as good as your question.
Aug 26, 2012 at 11:33 PM