Ignition trouble

I GOTCHU BOSS!

I'VE BEEN THIKIN' ABOUT LATER ON REMOVING MY KEY SWITCH ASSEMBLY AND JUST PLUGGING THE HOLE WITH A PERTY LOOKIN' CAP----I WOULD LOSE THE LOCKABLE STEERING CONCEPT----I COULD EZily PUT 'ER BACK TOGETHER

I RECKON AS YOU GET OLDER--YOU JUST DON'T LIKE TWISTIN' THE KEY---IT'S LIKE THEY INTENTIONALLY ENGINEERED IT INTO THE MUST UNCOMFORTABLE ANGLE

INSTEAD OF CHOPPIN' INTO MY WIRES, MY THOUGHTS WERE TO SORTA MODIFY THE IGNITION SWITCH

A LITTLE DREMEL TOOL WORK AND SOME SOLDERING

I COULD JUST "PLUG IN" MY MODIFICATION----AND THE WIRE HARNESS WOULD REMAIN INTACT

MY MODIFICATION WOULD INCLUDE 3 AIRCRAFT TYPE TOGGLE SWITCHES (YOU KNOW THE ONES WITH THE RED, FLIPPER DEALEE (SAFETY COVER) THAT YOU "SLAP" AND IT TURNS THE TOGGLE OFF

ONE BEING "START" ("S" WIRE). MOMENTARY CONTACT

ONE BEING IGNITION---- ON-OFF

THE LAST BEING ACCESSORIES----ON-OFF

THESE 3 WOULD BE ON THE DASH

UNDER THE DASH, HIDDEN, I'D HAVE A MASTER TO KILL THE "FEED"SORTA A SECURITY MEASURE, IF NEEDED

THE WHOLE SYSTEM JUST SNAPPED INTO THE ORIGINAL HARNESS, W/ THE MODIFIED IGN SWITCH

TURN SIGNALS AND HORN ARE ON ANOTHER CONNECTOR, SO THEY ARE NOT INVOLVED

I TOO, HAVE A '77 CJ 5--AND A '46 WILLYS ( UP TILL NOW, HAVE OWNED 7)

I HAVE MADE MANY USER FRIENDLY MODIFICATIONS TO BOTH---AND I HAVE ASSEMBLED WALMART DIGITAL PHOTO ALBUMS OF PIC AND EXPLANATIONS TO SOME OF THEMIF INTERESTED, LET ME KNOW, I WILL GIVE YOU A ROUTE TO GO WITHOUT BLURTING OUT YOU EMAIL ADDRESS ON OPEN FORUM

I CAN SHOW YOU THE WIRING! NO PROBLEM---I HAVE MODIFIED A WIRE DIAGRAM TO MAKE STUFF LIKE THIS EZ----WHATCHU THINK ABOUT MY IDEA?

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OK HERE'S THE DEAL

IMMA GONNA SEND YOU A MESSAGE GO TO THE TOP OF THIS PAGE (OR OTHERS)---CLICK ON YOUR NAME----MESSAGES WILL BE OVER ON THE LEFT

I CAN INITIATE TO YOU (YOU CAN ANSWER ME [REPLY])

YOU CAN'T INITIATE A MESSAGE TILL YOU GET 10 POSTS. DON'T ASK ME?

THIS IS A 1979 DIAGRAM

IT IS MOSTLY THE SAME THRU THE YEARS----BETWEEN '77 AND '79 THE ONLY THING I FOUND THAT CHANGED WAS THEY WENT FROM GLASS FUSES TO THE SQUARE ONES (NOT SHOWN IN THE DIAGRAM). THE DIAGRAM STILL REMAINS THE SAME!

MY PIC IS WHAT I HAD IT BLOWN UP AND LAMINATED AT THE OFFICE STORE ----EZ FOR ME

THE VERSION I SEND IS THE SAME---IN 2 PARTS---IF YOU PRINT IT---THE RIGHT HALF GOES ON TOP OF THE LEFT HALF (IT FITS BEST)YOU WILL UNDERSTAND, AS BOTH HALVES CONTAIN THE "SAME FUSE BOX"THE OVERLAP IS ON THE "6 GRID"

THE 304 PART IS THE UPPER PORTION OF THE LEFT DIAGRAM---258 IS THE LOWER. SOME STUFF IS SHARED

HERE'S THE "RULES"

I SCANNED AND COLORED THIS DIAGRAM IN "MS PAINT".I'M NOT PERFECT.I DID MAKE THINGS WORK

THE WIRES ARE COLORED CORRECTLY

EXCEPTION "WHITE". REMAINS A THIN BLACK LINE

IF THE WIRE HAD A TRACER STRIPE---I DID NOT "COLOR" THE TRACER---INSTEAD I DOTTED THE WIRE WITH BLACK MARKS---EXCEPTION "WHITE" IS DOTTED WITH BLUE MARKS (STILL VERY EZ TO UNDERSTAND)

THE COLOR OF MOST OF THE WIRES IS LABELED SOMEWHERE ALONG THE WIRE---ALONG WITH IT'S "GAUGE"---AND IF IT HAS A TRACER (THIS STILL DOES NOT DENOTE THE COLOR, THAT'S WHY I DOTTED IT W/ BLACK. OTHERWISE I WOULDA HAD TO LOOK ON THE JEEP FOR THE TRACER COLOR, FOR EACH WIRE)

WHEN YOU GO FOR THE COIL WIRE---DO IT AGAINST THE FIREWALL OR UNDER THE DASH----THEIR IS A RESISTANCE WIRE IN THE COIL SYSTEM, IF YOU CUT INTO IT OR ELIMINATE IT. BAD THINGS WILL HAPPEN!

I'M INCLUDING 2 OTHER DIAGRAMS SORTA MADE FOR OTHER ANSWERS

OK SENDING YOU A MESSAGE WHEN I SUBMIT THIS---LEAVE YOUR EMAIL IN THERE--NOT HERE---THIS WILL GET YOU THE RIGHT AND LEFT FULL DIAGRAM----WON'T BLUR LIKE IT WOULD IF SUBMITTED HERE, IF YOU ENLARGE IT

LET ME KNOW WHAT YOU NEED---I REALLY GET INTO HELPING ANOTHER JEEP GUY----SEE THE CJ 5 & 7 FORUMS HERE

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GIMME A LITTLE TIME ON THE CARB--I FOUND A GREAT DEAL ON A 6 CYL BBD NOT LONG AGO FOR SOMEBODY ON HERE

STAY WITH ME. ANY OTHER CJ ISSUES?

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I MADE MANY UPGRADES TO MINE

THE TOP OF THE LIST ONES ARE AS FOLLOWS IN ORDER

1) CHANGING THE "PRESTOLITE IGNITION AND DISTRIBUTOR" OVER TO THE NEWER "'79 UP-MOTORCRAFT IGNITION AND DISTRIBUTOR (I HAD SO MANY PROBLEMS W/ BROKEN ITTY-BITTY SOLID WIRES, MODULE FAILURE, AND VACUUM ADVANCE FAILURE IN THE CHEAPO, MOSTLY PLASTIC DISTRIBUTOR)---IT'S NOT JUST SPLICED IN, BUT OBTAINING THE THE CORRECT CONNECTORS FROM 80s FORDS TO MAKE IT RIGHT----I LIKE IT, I CAN TRUST IT NOW

2) REVAMPING THE MECHANICAL CLUTCH LINKAGE (SO MANY MECHANICAL FAILURES AND "FRICTION" WEAR OVER THE YEARS W/ PREVIOUS CJs--IT IS NOW BULLETPROOF!--AT 5 YEARS TO THE DAY, AFTER MAKING THE MODS TO IT, I TOOK IT APART AND FOUND ONLY DISCOLORATION TO THE "WEAR POINTS"---I FEEL IT WILL LAST FOREVER NOW---MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!I MADE AN ALBUM ON IT, WANNA SEE?

3) REPLACING THE SUBSTANDARD HEATER AND VENT OF 1977, WITH A '79-'86 SYSTEM ----HEAT/ DEFROST/ AND VENT ARE AS PERFECT AS A CJ CAN GET----"DEFROST AND VENT" BEING THE MOST APPRECIATED FEATURES NOW---AS FAR AS HEAT, I MADE A SECONDARY HEATER (W/ IT'S OWN HEATER CORE) IF I NEED MORE WARMTH, I TURN IT ON, IT WILL RUN YOU OUT VERY SHORTLY (I HAVE PICS OF THE TWO I MADE, ONE IN EACH JEEP). IT'S BEEN DUBBED "THE SAHARA BREEZE"

3A)DOIN' THE HEATER SWAP WAS CHALLENGING AS I HAD TO RELOCATE ANCHOR BOLTS AND RE DO THE DRAIN--GETTING THE "AIR BOX" FIT THE COWL VENT WAS MUCH FUN, BUT NOT REAL AWFUL

HOWEVER, ANYONE WHO HAS A '79-'86 HEATER WILL APPRECIATE THAT I TOOK THE TIME TO CUT THE BACKSIDE OF THE HEATER AT THE HEATER CORE---THEN TRANSFERRED THAT, AND THE BLOWER MOTOR LOCATION ONTO THE FIREWALL. I CUT ALL OF THAT OUT AND MADE ACCESS COVERS. THE COOL THING HERE IS, I NEVER HAVE TO REMOVE THE HEATER UNIT AGAIN TO CHANGE THE CORE OR BLOWER MOTOR.I CAN SIMPLY REMOVE THE BATTERY TRAY, AND THEN 2 COVERS, MY HEATER CORE AND BLOWER WILL COME OUT ON THE ENGINE SIDE OF THE FIREWALL

AFTER ASKED TO DO SO BY A JEEP BUDDY--I WENT BACK AND PLOTTED POINTS, GOT ACCURATE MEASUREMENTS FROM THE "'79-'86 ANCHOR BOLTS" AND VARIOUS OTHER PERMANENT PARTS---AND PLOTTED POINTS SO THE NEXT GUY WON'T HAVE TO DO ALL OF THE TEDIOUS TRANSFERRING TO MAKE THE CUTS----I MADE AN ALBUM OF THAT TOO! WANT IT?

GOT MORE ALBUMS---1 SHOWS MY REMOVABLE CANOE RACK---"NELSOMATIC CJ CRUISE CONTROL", MY "MANCAVE" AND OTHERS! (ONE PIC INSIDE MY MANCAVE BELOW)

KEEP ON JEEPIN' W/ ME WE'LL GET YOU SQUARED AWAY!

'BOUT TO GO GET YOUR MESSAGE AND SEND THE WIRE DIAGRAMS

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HOW'S EVERYTHING GOING NOW?

HAVEN'T HEARD FROM YOU IN A WHILE (OR YOU HAVEN'T HEARD FROM ME!)

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ROGER THAT!

GLAD YOU CAME TO SEE ME leviseratt.......THOUGHT MAYBE NOBODY LOVED ME ANY MORE

HOW QUICK DO YOU NEED IT?

DO YOU HAVE A TILT STEERING COLUMN?

I'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT CHANGING MINE TOO!......IGN, THAT IS

I REALLY DON'T LIKE THE "WRIST ACTION" OF TURNING THE KEY

I'VE HAD FELLERS OLDER THAN ME (LIKE IN THEIR 60s) COMPLAIN TO ME IN THE PAST.....MOSTLY ABOUT OTHER VEHICLES AND THEIR CRICKETTY OLD JOINTS, HAVING A HARD TIME DOING THE "TWISTY THING"

AS FOR ME.......I'VE HAD THESE "TOGGLE THOUGHTS" ON MY PAST 5 AND PRESENT 3 FOREVER AND EVER.....IT JUST AIN'T THE SAME AS, LIKE CRANKING UP THE TRACTOR!

MY PLAN IS TO REMOVE THE KEY/LOCK CYLINDER (PERMANENTLY---BUT ABLE TO PUT IT BACK IF NECESSARY).......AND MAKE SOME KINDA "PERTTY PLUG" OVER THE HOLE

WITH THAT REMOVED---THE STEERING WILL NOT LOCK (SO WHAT!)JUST SO IT DOES NOT ACCIDENTALLY ENGAGE WHILE BOUNCING ABOUT........I MAY:

A) WEDGE SOMETHING IN THE KEY CYLINDER HOLE TO PREVENT THE LINKAGE FROM MOVING

B) AT THE IGNITION SWITCH END (BEHIND THE DASH) WIRE THE ACTUATOR ROD SO IT WON'T MOVE WITH SAFETY WIRE (PROCESS EZily REVERSED).............I'M LEANING TOWARDS THIS ONE!

I HAD A "SELF INFLICTED" SIMILAR SITUATION IN "JEEP #1"---I MADE IT THRU BASIC TNG/ AIRBORNE SCHOOL/ THEN RIP AND WAS STATIONED AT HUNTER ARMY AIRFIELD IN SAVANNAH,GA. , WITH THE 1ST/ 75TH RANGER BATTALION......BACK THERE, THIS WAS 1983.

WHILE CROSSING THE "TALMADGE BRIDGE" (THE ORIGINAL ONE)

AT THE TIP-TOP, AT 55 MPH, IN TRAFFIC, I MADE THE DECISION TO "COAST" MY JEEP AS FAR AS HE WOULD GO.

I TURNED OFF THE IGNITION SWITCH---UPON NEEDING TO MAKE MY 1ST STEERING WHEEL CORRECTION, I REALIZED I HAD TURNED IT ALL THE WAY TO "LOCK"

SIMULTANEOUSLY ---I NEEDED TO STEER (AND ASAP!)---AND UNLOCK THE STEERING !!!

IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO TURN THE KEY, WHILE TORQUE-ING THE STEERING WHEEL HARD LEFT (AT THE TIME, NEARLY TWISTING THE COLUMN IN HALF)!

BY SOME MIRACLE, I LET OFF OF THE "DEATH GRIP" OF THE WHEEL, AND TURNED THE KEY TO "ON"

(SO WITH THAT EXPLAINED--I DO'T WANT ANY POSSIBILITY OF IT DOIN' IT ON IT'S OWN, BY SURPRISE)

NOW--THE REST OF MY PLAN

I WANT A MASTER (HIDDEN UNDER THE DASH) KILL SWITCH, WHICH WILL "KILL" MY EXPOSED SWITCHESTHIS WILL BE SORTA LIKE MY SECURITY/ ANTI-THEFT DEVICE

ON/ OR AT THE BOTTOM OF MY DASH HAVE 3 TOGGLE SWITCHES

2 ON/ OFF TOGGLE SWITCHES WITH THE AIRCRAFT TYPE "FLIP RED SAFETY COVERS" ----ONE WILL BE IGNITION---THE OTHER WILL BE ACCESSORIES....SEE LINK

http://shop.advanceautoparts.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_toggle-switch-nos-nitrous-oxide-systems_17121331-p?searchTerm=toggle+switches

THE THIRD SWITCH I ADD WILL BE A SIMILAR LOOKING TOGGLE SWITCH WITHOUT THE SAFETY COVER---THIS ONE WILL BE A "MOMENTARY CONTACT" AND WILL BE MY "START BUTTON"

NOW THE BEST PART!

I DON'T HAVE TILT---I HAVE OBTAINED ANOTHER NEW IGNITION SWITCH ( THE ONE ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE DASH-CONTROLLED BY THE ROD FROM THE KEY SWITCHTILT AND NO TILT SWITCHES ARE CONFIGURED DIFFERENT FROM EACH OTHER

MY PLAN IS TO DO WHATEVER (TAKE IT APART/ MODIFY IT/ SOLDER) MY NEW SWITCHING WIRES TO IT OR FORGET THAT, AND USE "MALE (OR FEMALE) WIRE CONNECTORS AND CONNECT TO THE "CONNECTOR" THAT SNAPS ONTO THE IGNITION SWITCH

REGARDLESS---I WANT IT WORK BY HOOKING INTO THE ORIGINAL CONNECTIONS.....MODIFIED SWITCH.....OR MALE WIRE ENDS........................AND NOT CUT/ SPLICE ANYTHING, SO IT CAN QUICKLY BE TAKEN APART AND ABLE TO PLUG BACK IN ORIGINAL

I HAVE MOST OF THE STUFF I THINK I WILL NEED---I JUST AIN'T GOT MOTIVATED YET!

(I'VE YET TO FIX THE RUST UNDER MY DRIVER'S DOOR---I'VE HAD ALL OF THE STUFF FOR OVER A YEAR!!!)

----AND I WILL, IF YOU'VE ALREADY SEEN IN SOME OF MY ANSWERS---- MOST OF THE TIME, I DO TAKE PICS AND MAKE DIAGRAMS.........MAYBE YOUR "PUSH" WILL MAKE ME JUMP TO IT!

YOUR TURN

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ALL RIGHTY THEN!

1st I KINDA HAVE NO INFO ON YOU SINCE YOU JUMPED ONTO THIS OTHER POST

I SORTA DON'T MIND, I'LL HELP ANYBODY IF I CAN!

I HAVE A GOOD MANY HOMEMADE PICS AND SOME DIAGRAMS TO BOOT!

DO ME A FAVOR, AS IT WOULD BE GOOD IF YOU HAVE YOUR OWN POST!

GO BACK TO THE HOME PAGE AND SUBMIT A NEW QUESTION, DONATE OR A FREE ONE, AGAIN IT DON'T MATTER TO ME, I HELP ON ALL I CAN!

WHEN YOU ARE DOIN' THE QUESTION, ASK FOR "CJ MEDEVAC" IN THE SUBJECT, OR AT THE VERY BEGINNING OF THE QUESTION, SO I WILL SEE IT AND PICK IT UP (I'M GUESSING YOU HAVE A CJ)

SORRY I'M UNSURE, AS THE FORMAT OF THE SITE HAS CHANGED MANY TIMES SINCE I STARTED HERE, SO I KINDA DON'T KNOW WHAT IS PROMPTED WHEN YOU ASK ONE NOW! IF IT ALL GETS SCREWED UP, JUST COME BACK HERE. I LOOK FOR ALL OF THE JEEPS WHEN I LOG ON 1ST THING, AS I THINK THEY ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT!

SEE YOU AT YOU NEW QUESTION!

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NO WORD FROM YOU AT THIS POST OR A NEW ONE

I NEED TO KNOW THE FULL NOMENCLATURE OF YOUR VEHICLE (YR/ ENG/ ETC)

SO I CAN SEE IF "MY SETUP" WILL WORK ON YOURS, OR IF I HAVE TO MODIFY MY DIAGRAMS TO SUIT YOUR RIG (NO BIG THING)

I REALLY HATE TOTIN' KEYS, OR HAVING TO GO LOOK FOR 'EM IN ORDER TO GO SOMEWHERE. JUST SO MUCH EZier TO JUMP IN AND GO

I REALLY DID NOT WANT TO CUT INTO MY WIRE HARNESS, SO I USED MY OLD IGNITION SWITCH WHICH I SORTA TOOK IT APART, SOLDERED WIRES ONTO THE BACKSIDE OF THE MALE TERMINALS, THIS LEFT ME THE CORRECT CRITTER TO PLUG BACK INTO THE ORIGINAL CONNECTOR. ONLY THING LEFT WAS TO HOOK THE WIRES THRU MY "NOW REMOTE" SWITCHING ASSEMBLY

YES, I EVEN INCLUDED A HILLBILLY SECURITY FEATURE, SO SOMEBODY ELSE WOULD REALLY HAVE TO WORK TO FIGGER OUT HOW TO FIRE IT UP

IN ORDER TO KEEP MY STEERING FROM ACCIDENTALLY GETTING LOCKED WHILE DRIVING (WITHOUT THE OLD IGN SWITCH HOLDING THE "L" SHAPED ROD- THE KEY CYLINDER IS FLOPPY LOOSE). I TURNED THE KEY CYLINDER AS IF IT WERE ON "START", THEN ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE DASH, I USED A BIG HOSE CLAMP AROUND THE STEERING COLUMN AND THE "ROD" AND CRANKED IT DOWN TIGHT. NOW MY KEY CYLINDER WILL NOT MOVE. NO MORE WORRY ABOUT LOCKED STEERING!

LIKE I SAID, NUTHIN' GETS HURT, EVERYTHING IS QUICKLY AND EZily REVERSIBLE BACK TO ORIGINAL! ('COURSE YOU'D NEED A NEW IGNITION SWITCH, SINCE WE MODIFIED THE OLD ONE

CAN YOU SOLDER? YOU WILL NEED THE GUN TYPE, THE PENCIL TYPE DON'T GET HOT ENOUGH FAST ENOUGH. ROSIN CORE SOLDER, EMERY CLOTH (THE BRASS/ COPPER MUST BE REALLY CLEAN FOR THE SOLDER/ WIRES TO STICK) SPEED AND A GOOD SOLDER JOINT IS ESSENTIAL, LINGERING A LONG TIME WILL MELT THE PLASTIC AND THE MALE CONNECTORS ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE WILL MOVE OR BE LOOSE

VARIOUS SIZES OF WIRES ARE NEEDED, LENGTHS WILL NOT BE REAL LONG, WE WANNA SORTA BE AS HEAVY AS THE WIRES THAT WE MATE UP WITH WHEN CONNECTED

BELOW IS MY FINISHED PRODUCT, WHEN YOU SEND YOUR INFO, I'LL SEE IF I CAN SEND/ MODIFY/ SEND A PIC OF MY DIAGRAMS (NICE ONES!) I'LL SHOW YOU AND EXPLAIN MY SECURITY FEATURE. I TOOK ABOUT 72 PICS (INCLUDING DIAGRAMS I MADE THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS) STARTS WITH TEARING INTO THE OLD SWITCH, ENDS INSTALLED (LAST PICS BELOW)

MY BUDDY WAS IMPRESSED AS HE WATCHED ME FINISH IT/ INSTALL IT/ AND IT WORKED FLAWLESSLY 1st TRY WITH NO REVISIONS !

YOUR TURN, YOUR INFO

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