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I need help with drive train issues I believe my clutch or transmission was improperly installed

Tiny
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I just had an engine custom built. The block is a 1987+ 5.7L sbc 350 it is stroked to a 383 the transmission is a t56 6 speed manual the clutch is a centerforce dual friction clutch. I'm trying to rotate the crankshaft by hand to tdc in order to install the distributor. The crankshaft won't rotate even with a breaker bar and I'm afraid of snapping the bolt in the end of the crankshaft. I suspect that I must have installed the clutch or transmission incorrectly however I have never tried to rotate the crank while the motor and trans were not connected. As a sidenote the thing that makes me believe my clutch/trans is incorrectly installed is when I'm in neutral the car rolls freely however if the car is in gear and I have someone push the clutch in the car still won't roll. This leads me to believe the clutch isn't working properly.
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Thursday, October 4th, 2012 AT 6:37 AM

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Tiny
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A couple other details: this is a hydraulic transmission, and I also reused my stock throw out bearing as I had no previous problems with it and the techs at summit racing told me that it was compatible with this centerforce clutch kit.
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Thursday, October 4th, 2012 AT 6:47 AM
Tiny
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One other side note. I DONT have any spark plugs in the block. Just thought I'd add that before someone has to ask it :)
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Thursday, October 4th, 2012 AT 9:07 AM
Tiny
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Ther is something locking it up if you cannot turn it with the plugs out.

If you jack up the rear wheels, does it turn?

There may be a clutch fault here. You may have to remove the trans to see what is going on inside.

The pressure plate may be engaged stopping the motor from turning

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Thursday, October 4th, 2012 AT 10:01 AM
Tiny
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I know that when the clutch was installed there was absolutely no space between the clutch disc and the pressure plate and also no room between the disc and the flywheel. Is this the way it's supposed to be or would that be what you're speaking of when you said the pressure plate may be engaged?
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Thursday, October 4th, 2012 AT 10:50 AM
Tiny
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Yes, the motor should free wheel in neutral without clutch pushed in.

Roy
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Thursday, October 4th, 2012 AT 11:11 AM
Tiny
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That much it does. With the transmission in neutral I can easily push the car back and forth no problem but when the vehicle is in gear and the clutch is pushed all the way to the floor the vehicle will not free wheel.
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Thursday, October 4th, 2012 AT 11:17 AM
Tiny
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You have clutch issues. The trans will have to come out and see what is going on.

Does the motor turn when in neutral?

Roy
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Thursday, October 4th, 2012 AT 11:24 AM
Tiny
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I HAD SOME BUDDIES OVER

WHEN I WENT IN FOR CHOW FOR 20 MINUTES OR SO

THEY DECIDED TO "HELP" ON MY 1946 L-134 (FLATHEAD) JEEP ENGINE, ON AN ENGINE STAND

I HAD JUST PREVIOUSLY CHECKED ALL OF MY CLEARANCES W/ "PLASTIGAUGE"

ALL OF THE MAIN CAPS WERE REMOVED AND IN ORDER, MY CLEARANCES WERE GREAT! I WAS IN THE PROCESS OF SCRAPING OFF THE "MUSHED" PLASTIGAUGE. WHEN THEY SHOWED UP. AND I WAS CALLED FOR CHOW

WHEN I RETURNED, ALL OF THE CAPS WERE INSTALLED. SO I RECHECKED "THEIR TORQUES". THEY'RE REALLY GOOD GUYS AND KNOW THEY'RE STUFF TOO!

THE CRANK WOULD NOT TURN!

AFTER INVESTIGATION, I FOUND OUT THE REAR CAP WAS NOT SEATED PROPERLY. THEIR ATTEMPT TO "CRANK IT DOWN ANYWAY" RESULTED IN BENDING
THE CAP

THEY DID GET IT SEATED WITH SOME HAMMER PERSUATION---BUT THE DAMAGE WAS DONE

THIS WAS MY LUCKY DAY!

REBUILD MY ENGINES AT LEISURE, WHILE STILL DRIVING THE VEHICLE (ENGINE ON THE STAND IS A 2ND ENGINE). THIS LET'S ME DO A FAST ENGINE SWAP OVER THE WEEKEND. WHEN THE OTHER IS READY. DOWN TIME IS MINIMIZED.I REMEMBER EXACTLY WHERE STUFF GOES BACK. INSTEAD OF MY RIG BEING TORN APART FOR WEEKS!

SO.I DROPPED THE PAN ON "WILLY", SNATCHED HIS REAR MAIN. INSTALLED IT ON THE OTHER ENGINE

. BELIEVE IT OR NOT, PLASTIGAUGE CONFIRMED IT WAS A PERFECT FIT

I THOUGHT I WAS GONNA HAVE TO HAVE THE WHOLE THING LINE BORED. SO FAR, AFTER 12 YEARS OR SO, MY REAR MAIN HAS BEEN FINE

MY ORIGINAL ENGINE WILL HAVE TO BE LINE BORED. UNLESS I SWAP THE CAP BACK ONTO IT. BUT HOPEFULLY THAT'S GONNA BE A LONG TIME FROM NOW

SEE IF YOUR WILL TURN BY HAND (WRENCH/SOCKET) IN NEUTRAL

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Thursday, October 4th, 2012 AT 2:17 PM
Tiny
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No it will not turn over in neutral either
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Thursday, October 4th, 2012 AT 3:44 PM
Tiny
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REMOVE THE STARTER

CAN YOU TURN THE CRANKSHAFT AT LEAST ONE FULL REVOLUTION.2 REVOLUTIONS?

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Thursday, October 4th, 2012 AT 11:49 PM
Tiny
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I haven't yet installed the starter and the crank wont move at all.
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Friday, October 5th, 2012 AT 8:18 AM
Tiny
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So today I just backed out the bellhousing bolts and split the motor and trans apart. The crankshaft now spins freely. Do I have to bleed the lines for the throw out bearing? Is my problem in the slave cylinder? If so is there an adjustment I can make or would I have to replace it?
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Thursday, October 11th, 2012 AT 5:41 AM
Tiny
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So basically my current situation is if I back the bellhousing bolts out the engine will turn over but if they're completely tightened down it won't turn over at all. My biggest misunderstanding is how the engine won't even turn over in neutral? Shouldn't the input shaft spin freely once the trans is in neutral?
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Thursday, October 11th, 2012 AT 8:45 AM
Tiny
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THIS IS A GOOD ONE

SOMETHING IN THERE IS TOO BIG

JUST TO SEE IF IT'S BELL HOUSING RELATED

SPRAY PAINT THE INSIDE OF THE HOUSING WITH FLAT BLACK PAINT

GENTLY PLACE IT BACK ON (NOT SCRAPING OR SCRUBBING IT)

INSTALL THE BOLTS (OR A FEW OF THEM) JUST BARELY ENOUGH TO TO "INDEX IT" TO THE POSITION IT BELONGS (LOOSE ENOUGH SO THAT THE CRANK WILL TURN)

NEXT. HAVE SOMEONE TURN THE ENGINE OVER SEVERAL REVOLUTIONS WITH A WRENCH/ RATCHET

AT THE SAME TIME, "YOU" PUSH THE BELL HOUSING FORWARD WHILE THE CRANK IS TURNING

. SOMETHING SHOULD BE SCRAPING OR SCRUBBING ON THE INSIDE

REMOVE THE BELL HOUSING---LOOK FOR SCRAPED FLAT BLACK PAINT ON THE INSIDE. LOOK FOR PAINT PARTICLES ON THE CLUTCH STUFF

THIS MIGHT SHOW YOU WHAT TO INVESTIGATE AS BEING INSTALLED WRONG/ WRONG PARTS/ ETC

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Saturday, October 13th, 2012 AT 1:37 AM

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