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No start condition?

Tiny
KEETAN BRUMM
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  • 2003 MITSUBISHI ECLIPSE
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  • V6
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  • 225,000 MILES
Long story short
03 Eclipse GT 3.0 V6 6G72
Not starting, cranks but will not start.
Has a brand new battery and MAF sensor
Not getting spark, or power to fuel pump(fuel pump works)
Used a scanner tool, no codes.
Check engine light is on.
Not equipped with immobilizer and if it is, it's not activated.

The car is not getting power through the wiring harness to the fuel pump. Inside the dash, checked the relays and fuel pump relay (2) is not getting a signal. However the relay clicks fine when put in the first fuel pump relay slot. So relay works, just not the second slot.

Checked the engine fuse box and the relay slot on the side. The bottom two relays also are not working, however again the top relay works and when swapped around the relays themselves work, just not those relay slots.

Checked my CPS. I am getting twelve volts to power, do not remember ground. And when using the scan tool it registers around 250 rpm's when cranking the car.

Honestly at a loss with this one.
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Saturday, July 29th, 2017 AT 1:23 AM

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Tiny
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Due ot a battery disconnect it may be the security system see link.
https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-reset-a-security-system
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Saturday, July 29th, 2017 AT 7:05 AM
Tiny
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It is not the security system. It has not been tripped and there is no light on dash to prove otherwise. Also, the security system in my vehicle is the immobilizer, which I explain in my OP has not been tripped.
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Sunday, July 30th, 2017 AT 1:25 AM
Tiny
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Check relays in picture as I do not know which ones you are talking about. try tweaking the prongs on relays and use some dielectric grease on prongs for better contact. it may be fuel pump relay and not getting pressure to rail. you can also check fuel pressure with a gauge auto parts rent it. See link.
https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-check-fuel-system-pressure-and-regulator
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Sunday, July 30th, 2017 AT 8:08 AM
Tiny
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Going off the image. MFI relay and A/T relay in the engine bay are not working. However when swapped with the A/C relay the relays themselves work. And fuel pump relay (2) in cabin box. Also believe me there is fuel pressure, my gas stained clothes from last week can vouch for that. Lol
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Sunday, July 30th, 2017 AT 8:55 AM
Tiny
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Going off the image. MFI relay and A/T relay in the engine bay are not working. However when swapped with the A/C relay the relays themselves work. And fuel pump relay (2) in cabin box. Also believe me there is fuel pressure, my gas stained clothes from last week can vouch for that lol
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Sunday, July 30th, 2017 AT 9:02 AM
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Do as I said to tweek the prongs to make better contact in fuse box other wise it's a fuse box problem the mfi relay not working is probably why vehicle won't start. Tweek means to bend it slightly but not enough so it won't work.
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Sunday, July 30th, 2017 AT 2:03 PM
Tiny
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Tweeking did not help
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Monday, July 31st, 2017 AT 6:15 AM
Tiny
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Then the fuse box has to be looked at to see if it can make a better connection to those relays. Check to see if you have broken wire from fuse in pic.
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Monday, July 31st, 2017 AT 6:22 AM
Tiny
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Will check after work. My mechanic told me to pick up a new ECU and try that. Is that a possible cause?
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Monday, July 31st, 2017 AT 6:42 AM
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It could be but the fuse powers a few things including ecu
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Monday, July 31st, 2017 AT 7:14 AM
Tiny
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Hmm alright, well I knew I was in for some digging and diagnostics when I bought the damn thing. Plus the wiring diagrams are all for "00-05" models haven't been able to find anything specific to mine. Like the fuse box diagrams. My engine bay box doesn't have a starter relay like showed in the picture you posted earlier. Doesn't even have those contacts for that spot in the relay box. Makes diagnostics hell.
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Monday, July 31st, 2017 AT 7:21 AM
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Is this a gts or what model gt? That may make a difference I can send engine diagram but it may make a diff if like turbo etc.
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Monday, July 31st, 2017 AT 9:25 AM
Tiny
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Just plain jane GT, non turbo
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Monday, July 31st, 2017 AT 10:49 AM
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Ok i'll send engine diagrams but they wil be small so not sure they will blow up.
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Monday, July 31st, 2017 AT 12:04 PM
Tiny
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Well some blow up better than others, but definitely seem more accurate than the diagrams I have dealing with up till now
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Monday, July 31st, 2017 AT 12:32 PM
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Well If you have a magnifying glass you can try that and they are split as that is why there are so many there are actually only 4
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Monday, July 31st, 2017 AT 1:06 PM
Tiny
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Damn, well anyways back to business, checked all the relays did the tweeking no luck. About to check the wiring
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Monday, July 31st, 2017 AT 2:09 PM
Tiny
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No breaks on the wiring
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Monday, July 31st, 2017 AT 2:56 PM
Tiny
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Fuel relay 2 is working though(started working after I reseated some of the grounds in the engine bay. Not sure how the two are related but not complaining)
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Monday, July 31st, 2017 AT 2:57 PM
Tiny
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ALRIGHT! Relay and pump are working now, but a new issue has risen lol I haven't tested for spark yet, but there is a semi loud ticking sound in the engine bay, seems to be coming from around the throttle body area.
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Monday, July 31st, 2017 AT 3:49 PM

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