Whistling noise under the car after driving for long time

Tiny
ALEXV55
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  • 2001 DODGE CARAVAN
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When I drive the van for a long time and then start it after sitting over night, a very loud whistling noise comes from under the car, not under the hood. It has been happening for a few months now and does not matter what the outside temperature is. Today it was over 100 F and temps here are routinely over 105 in summer.

During a road trip couple weeks back, fuel filter line ruptured while driving after filling half a tank of gas couple of exits back. Wondering if line burst was a coincidence or was a result of whatever causing the whistling noise.
Friday, August 11th, 2017 AT 5:59 PM

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Tiny
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We love whistling noises that occur without the vehicle moving because those are easy to locate without having to run alongside it! You have two systems to consider. The first is the fuel supply system including the pump and the filter. If this noise just started right after the filter was replaced, that is a logical suspect. A metal line could be not anchored properly and it is transmitting vibrations from the pump motor. It could be "singing" too, similar to how some bathroom faucets sing. The clue is when you first turn on the ignition switch but do not crank the engine, the pump will only run for one second, then turn off. It will not resume running until the engine is rotating, (cranking or running). If those are the times you hear the singing, it is caused by the pump, filter, or a vibrating steel line.

The second system is the pump for the fuel vapor recovery system. That runs when the ignition system is turned on to put the gas tank under two pounds of pressure, then the engine computer watches to see how long it takes for that pressure to bleed down. If it bleeds down, there is a leak in the system. That pump is normally so quiet, people do not even know it is there, but if it becomes mis-positioned and rubs on part of the metal mounting bracket, the vibration could be transmitted and amplified. I do not even know how long that pump runs, but it has to stop so the pressure can be monitored for a drop.

It is also not unheard of for an exhaust system to have a leak that forms a whistle. The clue is it will change in severity when you hold the bottom of your shoe over the end of the tail pipe while that noise is occurring.

Fuel pumps can make noise too but that is not common on Chrysler products. GM truck fuel pumps are very noisy but that is not a sign of impending failure. Chrysler pumps are built with very tight clearances. That makes them a little more prone to locking up from excessive debris in the tank, but it's what makes them so quiet. You will hear that noise if you listen under the gas tank while the engine is running.
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Saturday, August 12th, 2017 AT 8:36 PM
Tiny
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The whistling was happening even before the filter was changed when the car was driven for a longer period of time and starting the next day after sitting overnight. As far as I recall, it started happening when the hot weather set in and even early morning temps here are above 90 F. Filter was changed because the filter line had ruptured while driving as explained in my original post.

The noise comes when fuel pump primes, KOEO, and then starts again when engine is running. The noise does not change with speed but goes away after driving for a few minutes. It used to be that noise went away after starting and idling for a minute or so, or by the time I would pull out of driveway. It has gotten worse and now it goes away after driving a few miles.

I am not sure what metal line you are describing, I do not see any metal line near fuel pump, filter, on top of tank. From fuel filter, a plastic line runs along the entire length of fuel tank and connects to a metal line through quick connect fitting and that metal line then goes to fuel rail. I have checked fuel pressure at schrader vale near fuel rail and its 60 psi within FSM spec of 58 +/-5. Fuel regulator is part of fuel pump so there is not a question of having higher pressure before fuel rail.

Because of the fuel filter line rupture, I was thinking there was pressure build up in the fuel tank and may be there was a problem with venting and whistling noise was pressure escaping from seals. So using vacuum gauge I checked a vent valve that goes to leak detection pump from front vapor canister and it is working fine. The purge valve in the engine compartment is also good. Could it be the two rollover valves on top of tank and how do I check if they are not blocked. Is there a way to check tank pressure?

P.S. With KOEO, I just listened to noise using stethoscope by placing the prob on fuel filter, and supply and return ports on top of fuel pump. The noise is more audible when prob is on on the supply port of fuel pump.
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Sunday, August 13th, 2017 AT 11:05 AM
Tiny
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From the description I would suspect a bad pump assembly. Either a bearing in the pump or the impeller possibly rubbing until it heats up a bit and it develops a bit of clearance.
What do you hear listening right at the filler with the cap off?
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Sunday, August 13th, 2017 AT 11:17 AM

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