Vehicle will idle and then shuts off, codes are P1299, P1125 and P0601

Tiny
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  • 2000 ISUZU RODEO
  • 3.2L
  • V6
  • 2WD
  • AUTOMATIC
  • 150,000 MILES
Can start the car and let it run for about a minute and it will shut off. Turn off the key and wait 6 seconds and it will start back up. Check engine lite is on. Codes are p1299, p1125 and p0601. Previous owner replaced ECM, throttle body, changed fuel pump but the pump he bought didn't work at all. Put old pump back on car. Changed pump relay and fuse. Still same problem. Also shuts off after driving for a few minutes and come to a stop.
Saturday, May 23rd, 2020 AT 1:56 PM

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Tiny
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Hi,

Two of the codes are related to the ETC (electronic throttle control) unit. The 1299 is a forced shut down due to issues with the ETC. Now, my biggest concern is the P0601. If you clear all the codes, does the 601 return? Take a look at the definition of the code.

- DTC P0601 indicates that the contents of the EEPROM have changed since the PCM was programmed. The only possible repair is PCM replacement. Remember to program the replacement PCM with the correct software and calibration for the vehicle.

Do you know if the PCM was programmed when it was replaced?

Let me know.
Joe
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Saturday, May 23rd, 2020 AT 9:43 PM
Tiny
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Yes, the ECM was supposedly reprogrammed. When I clear the codes with scanner they all come back. Including the p0601. I'm wondering if there's a bad connection to the ECM. Or the throttle body he replaced is bad or has a bad connection. Or a bad CHT. He always complained that when he filled the car full of gas that it always smelled of gas really bad until l it got down to about 3/4 of a tank full. Also he told me he replaced the wiring harness to the fuel pump saying the old pumps had 5 wires and the new pump only had 4 wires? Or visa versa. I do not know about that one. I haven't pulled the tank yet to check what he has done with that harness. I hope he hasn't omitted a signal wire by changing the harness. I know the pump has a 3 stage system. Ignition turns the pump on for 5 seconds and then a diode in the alternator takes over for a while and then turns it over to the oil sending unit. Supposedly a fail safe system to prevent low oil and destroying the engine. I do not know if i'm correct on this one. Also the ECM was a used unit so I don't know if it was properly married to the cars system. Thanks for your help. I'm still trying to figure this one out. It's a nice car and I would hate to junk it because of this problem.
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Wednesday, May 27th, 2020 AT 6:53 PM
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Also the p0601 code says error in the internal memory of the ECM. Forgot to add this one. Sorry.
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Wednesday, May 27th, 2020 AT 6:55 PM
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Hi,

That code indicates internal failure. The only repair is replacement of the ECM/PCM. I hate to say it, but I feel that is what needs done. Is it possible that the one you installed was damaged?
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Thursday, May 28th, 2020 AT 8:35 PM
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I have no way of knowing if the PCM/ECM was damaged or not. The former owner was the one who installed it and had it programmed. I was hoping this wasn't going to be the cause of the problem. Thanks for the help.
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Friday, May 29th, 2020 AT 3:47 PM
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Did it ever run properly since you purchased it?
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Friday, May 29th, 2020 AT 6:58 PM
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The car runs smooth at idle and while driving. It just cuts off after about a minute of running at idle. Right before it cuts off you hear a "click" and it shuts off. If you drive it, you have to cut it off at each stop and restart it after 7 seconds or it will cut off on its own. The car was actually driven to my house by the previous owner which is about a 20 mile drive. He told me he just cut it off at each stop and restarted it after 7 seconds. It ran fine. No overheating or other problems. There's no antifreeze in the oil or visa versa. It just wont stay running. The car was given to me because he couldn't figure out the problem after changing several parts. ECM, app sensor, throttle body, fuel pump and relays. Having problems with the door locks also. They wont lock from the switch on either door or the remote. Will unlock with the remote, but only the drivers door will unlock. I do not know what other info to give you. I was hoping not to have to replace the ECM again.
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Friday, May 29th, 2020 AT 7:29 PM
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Code 1299 indicates a forced shut down. I found a TSB that references this. Here is what it indicates:

The final complaint is also related to a Reduced Power Light present. The MIL on, and a forced shut-down condition. The vehicle will crank but will not start. This condition may be related to a Throttle Motor condition and/or the loss of either or both five-volt references for the Throttle Position Sensors and the Accelerator Position Sensors.

The 5v reference comes from the PCM. It could be a damaged wire or connection issue. However, the P601 indicates internal PCM failure.

Here is what I've done: I went through the 1125 and 1299 codes. The problem is the forced shut down issue (1299). That is what is shutting it down. Since the possible cause is loss of the 5v reference from the PCM, then the P0601 makes sense that the PCM has an internal fault.

If you look at pic 1 below, it shows where to check next if a P0601 is present. When I go to that number in the DTC table, it indicates what you see in pic 2. I select 601 from that table and here is what I get. See the remaining pics.

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2000 Isuzu Truck Rodeo LS 2WD V6-3.2L
P0601
Vehicle ALL Diagnostic Trouble Codes ( DTC ) Testing and Inspection P Code Charts P0601
P0601
Steps 1 - 2

see pic 3

DTC P0601 PCM Memory

see pic 4

Circuit Description
The powertrain control module (PCM) used in this vehicle utilizes an electrically erasable programmable read-only memory (EEPROM). The EEPROM contains program information and the calibrations required for engine, transmission, and powertrain diagnostics operation.

Unlike the PROM used in past applications, the EEPROM is not replaceable When the PCM is replaced or a calibration update is required, the PCM must be programmed using a Tech 2. Refer to Powertrain Control Module and Sensors in On-Vehicle Service for the EEPROM programming procedure.

Conditions for Setting the DTC
- The PCM detects an internal program fault (check sum error).

Action Taken When the DTC Sets
- The PCM will not illuminate the malfunction indicator lamp (MIL).
- The PCM will store conditions which were present when the DTC was set in the Failure Records data only.

Conditions for Clearing the MIL/DTC
- The PCM will turn the MIL "OFF" on the third consecutive trip cycle during which the diagnostic has been run and the fault condition is no longer present.
- A history DTC P0601 will clear after 40 consecutive warm-up cycles have occurred without a fault.
- DTC P0601 can be cleared by using the Tech 2 "Clear Info" function or by disconnecting the PCM battery feed.

Diagnostic Aids
- DTC P0601 indicates that the contents of the EEPROM have changed since the PCM was programmed. The only possible repair is PCM replacement. Remember to program the replacement PCM with the correct software and calibration for the vehicle.

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That is why I am suspecting the PCM. I hope that makes sense. Could I be wrong? Absolutely. However, this is where it is pointing for me.

Joe
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Friday, May 29th, 2020 AT 9:33 PM
Tiny
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Okay, I will replace the PCM and have some one program it. Thanks again for all your help.
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Friday, May 29th, 2020 AT 10:02 PM
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Hi,

You are welcome. Please, please, please remember I am doing this from home. If you know someone that you trust to do the work, please get their opinion. This isn't an inexpensive undertaking and I want to be 100% sure. My diagnosis is based on symptoms and a manual. Someone may see something different when the car is in front of them.

I hope you understand.

Let me know the results and if this takes care of the issues.

Take care,
Joe
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Friday, May 29th, 2020 AT 10:14 PM

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