Vibrates and shudders

Tiny
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  • 1999 MERCURY MARQUIS
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The car vibrates/shudders at thirty seven to forty mph and sometimes around fifty five to sixty mph. It did it with the old tires and does it with new tires also. Wheels were balanced and re-balanced and rotated and it still does it. Any suggestions/recommendations on what the problem could be?
Tuesday, October 31st, 2017 AT 11:26 AM

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Tiny
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Where do you feel this vibration, in the steering wheel, the brake pedal, or the whole car body? The next time this happens, hold the accelerator pedal perfectly steady, then tap the brake pedal with your left foot. See if the shudder stops for two or three seconds, then starts again.
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Tuesday, October 31st, 2017 AT 4:38 PM
Tiny
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I feel it worse on the steering wheel, but my passengers say they feel it too but not as strong.
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Tuesday, October 31st, 2017 AT 6:18 PM
Tiny
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Did you do the brake pedal test?
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Tuesday, October 31st, 2017 AT 6:40 PM
Tiny
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Not yet, will do it in the morning. Streets full of kids going "trick or treating".
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Tuesday, October 31st, 2017 AT 7:13 PM
Tiny
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Please let us know what you find. I am interested to see what it is.

Cheers, Ken
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Thursday, November 2nd, 2017 AT 11:15 AM
Tiny
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Did the brake pedal test. No help. The vibration only lasts a second or two and it is just at certain speeds, like 37 to 40 and a couple of others. With the gas pedal steady and tapping of the brake pedal, the car slows enough and its out of these limits. Once you get back to the 37 it starts again, but as I said only a second or two while its going through that specific speed.
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Thursday, November 2nd, 2017 AT 7:54 PM
Tiny
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It sounds lie you need to just drive a little faster for this test. The best suspect is the transmission's torque converter clutch. The clue is the 40 mph.

The torque converter is the fluid coupling between the engine and the transmission that allows the engine to remain running when the vehicle is standing still, in gear. It starts to become efficient at around 1000 rpm, but that slippage always exists while you're driving. The lock-up clutch eliminates that slippage to achieve better fuel mileage, similar to what a manual transmission's clutch would do.

That lock-up clutch can't be allowed to engage at lower speeds, and when it does engage, it has to do so gradually to avoid causing a harsh clunk. Most lock-up clutches begin to engage gradually between 35 and 45 mph. It is cycled on and off very rapidly to modulate its engagement, but there are special additives in the transmission fluid to allow it to slip at first. The most common cause of this shudder is using the wrong transmission fluid. Without the needed additives, the clutch engages too hard, then engine torque causes it to break free, then it locks up again, very rapidly.

To prove if this is the cause, when the shudder occurs, hold the accelerator pedal perfectly steady, as I mentioned, then lightly tap the brake pedal with your left foot. That will cause the lock-up clutch to disengage for a few seconds, (in preparation for coming to a stop), then the shudder will occur again when it engages. If you have a tachometer on the dash, if you tap the brake pedal at higher speeds, you'll see engine speed increase about 200 rpm. That is due to the lock-up clutch releasing. It also releases at wide-open-throttle, (for more torque), and it will not lock up until the engine is warmed up. That is to insure the transmission fluid is warm enough to flow easily to the cooler.

If my suspicion is correct, the solution is to have the normal maintenance transmission fluid and filter change, but be sure the correct fluid is used.
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Thursday, November 2nd, 2017 AT 8:14 PM
Tiny
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Will try the solution in the next week or so. Will let you know if it worked. It's time for the fluid change anyway. Thanks
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Thursday, November 2nd, 2017 AT 8:40 PM
Tiny
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Well I had the transmission fluid and filter changed and it worked. The vibration/shutter is gone. Thanks, appreciate your recomendation. Will definitely recommend your site
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Thursday, November 16th, 2017 AT 4:37 PM
Tiny
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Yippee! One in a row! See; I'm not as dumb as I look. Happy to hear it's solved.
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Thursday, November 16th, 2017 AT 5:24 PM
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CARADIODOC is one of our best! Nice work ;)
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Friday, November 17th, 2017 AT 11:49 AM

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