Transmission?

Tiny
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  • 2009 CHEVROLET HHR
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Hello,

We bought the car listed above used in 2011 with 42,000 miles on it. It has been a great car and now has 172,000 miles on it. I've done a lot of work to it. All the usual things from wear and tear. The biggest and most involved thing I had to do so far was the timing chain. Did the water pump as well when I was in there. Also, new chain on the balance shafts and tensioner.

The last year or so I've had the dreaded overdrive bounce that these all have. Just learned to live with it, I guess. From my understanding it is caused by programming in the ECM. Anyways, not a huge deal and I kind of got used to it. I have never had any problems with this transmission, ever! The axle seals were weeping a little bit but not enough to leave any puddles of fluid. I replaced the axle seals about 2 weeks ago. I found it very odd that no fluid came out when I pulled the half shafts. The car has been taken care of with regular oil changes. The car has been very reliable.

This past weekend I was running errands and was driving about 20 mins and came to a traffic light and stopped. I accelerated and when the car shifted to 2nd gear it was a very hard shift like being hit in the back end. Did the same for 3rd and then very quick to get into overdrive. The car was bucking and acting like it was missing. Did this all the way home. Took the car back out about 30 mins later and it was fine until I came to the first stop and the same thing happened all over again. I stopped in a gas station and shut the car off for a few minutes then back on and car was fine again until first stop some 10 mins later. I drove home and let it sit overnight.

Next morning I put the car up on wheel stands on level ground and check trans fluid. Fluid did flow out of the check hole so fluid level is good. Checked engine mount and trans mounts. Top engine mount was bad and drivers' side trans mount questionable so I replaced both. The front trans mount and rear trans mount I changed about 2 years ago. Drove car and it is no longer shifting hard. Is this solved from replacing the mounts? As hard as it was shifting, I can't believe bad mounts would do that.

When we had about 80,000 miles on the car, I wanted to have the transmission service done but my garage said no don't do it just leave it. So that's just what I did. Now the car is at 172,000 and original trans fluid. With this mileage I'm concerned if there was debris that was caught in a solenoid or something or if I've got a transmission that is going bad. The behavior was out of the blue and I've never had any other warning signs from the transmission. I have no engine codes or CEL. Car was tuned up this past summer, so it isn't running bad or anything. I'm driving the car for 3 days now and it hasn't done it.

Should I change the trans fluid and filter at this mileage? I know a flush is out of the question. I need this car and getting another car is not an option right now for at least a couple of years yet. I have not had a scanner put on it because I have CEL but I've read there can still be codes in history. I even called the dealer where we got it and explained to them what happened. I was hoping they'd have a history on that transmission from previous owners with this transmission, but they were absolutely no help. Said they'd be very reluctant to even touch the fluid without me signing a waiver. I just don't want to believe it's the transmission. Like I said, never ever had an issue with it unless you consider the overdrive bounce an issue. What should I do next?
Tuesday, November 28th, 2023 AT 6:50 PM

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Tiny
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Hi,

How dirty is the fluid? When you checked it, was the engine at operating temperature and running?

As far as changing it now may not be the best of ideas. It certainly could have been done at 80K.

As far as the CEL, what codes are present? When you scanned the system, did you scan the can-bus system or just the engine?

Here is a link that explains what I am referring to with the CAN:

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/can-scan-controller-area-network-easy

Let me know.

Joe
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Tuesday, November 28th, 2023 AT 9:17 PM
Tiny
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Thank you for the fast reply! The color of the trans fluid is on the brownish red side. It's not translucent like new fluid would be obviously and certainly not black like motor oil. The car was at operating temperature and engine running.

I don't have a CEL. It never lit even once. I apologize, maybe I mislead you to think I did. I haven't had it scanned yet, but the car is being inspected tomorrow and I'll ask the mechanic if he could look for any codes since he'll have the scanner on there.

I will check out your link. I will keep you posted as to any codes being found. I'm thinking about just running this car till the tranny quits (if that's what it is) then looking for a used one to throw in. I don't think the cost to rebuild is worth it for the mileage on car.

Would a transmission shop be able to tell if it was indeed a problem?
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Tuesday, November 28th, 2023 AT 9:51 PM
Tiny
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I had the car inspected today. He said there were no codes in the history.

I guess what I'm really trying to figure out is why did the transmission do this and is it going to happen again? What can be done to figure out what it was? What can I do to prevent anything further? It's been trouble free for 4 days now. Am I doing damage by driving it?
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Wednesday, November 29th, 2023 AT 12:03 PM
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Hi,

How dirty is the fluid? If you touch the dipstick on a paper towel, how dirty does it appear? As far as possible issues returning, it can happen. Things wear out over time, but like you, I try to make things last as long as possible. Let me know about the fluid's condition. I will try to help you make the determination to change it or not.

Joe
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Wednesday, November 29th, 2023 AT 9:14 PM
Tiny
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It doesn't have a dipstick. Only a check plug underneath. I will open that plug over the weekend and let some run off onto some paper towels and take a pic to send you. As for now it's been okay. Hasn't done it since so I'm not doing anything right now. I would still like your opinion on changing the fluid though in case it happens again. I will reply sometime over the weekend with the pic. Thanks for your help!
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Thursday, November 30th, 2023 AT 10:57 AM
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Hi,

Sounds like a plan. Take care and I'll watch for your reply.

Joe
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Thursday, November 30th, 2023 AT 6:50 PM
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Here is a pic of the Transmission oil. I just smeared it onto plain paper. The car has yet to do it again. Honestly, I'm not going to do anything at the moment until it acts up again. Let me know what you think of the color of the transmission fluid.
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Saturday, December 2nd, 2023 AT 9:50 PM
Tiny
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Hi,

Please keep in mind, I'm looking at a picture. But from what I see, it looks like you would be okay to service it. If it was dark brown or black and had a burnt smell, I may be concerned, but that doesn't look too bad.

In this case, when you decide to do it, only change the filter and the fluid that comes out of the pan when it is removed. Don't fully flush it with a machine. I say that only because of the mileage.

Let me know if there is anything I can help with or if you have other questions.

Take care,

Joe
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Sunday, December 3rd, 2023 AT 8:38 PM
Tiny
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Thank you for your response. I realize though after looking at this picture this may not have been an accurate depiction of the state of the fluid.

While I do not smell a burnt smell, in greater concentration the fluid is on the brown side. In other words, if I collect the fluid in a cup, it does have a darker look to it. I will try to collect some in a white container.

I'm really baffled now as to whether this was a malfunction issue or maintenance issue. As I mentioned before, I changed the motor mount and transmission mount. Also had to replace the camshaft intake actuator because the clip was broken to hold harness on. I did an oil change too and the car is running great. I always change the oil when the indicator says to but recently, I started doing it sooner based on the car's mileage.

Could this have been a timing or computer issue? Maybe that intake actuator coming loose due to broken clip? Or the oil viscosity? I was overdue slightly. FYI, replaced timing chain about 3 months ago and everything went well and lined up all marks.

Just trying to put pieces together because that Trans issue was so out of the ordinary and hasn't done since.

I'd better go knock on some wood now!
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Monday, December 4th, 2023 AT 12:19 PM
Tiny
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Hi,

Let me see what you collect in a cup. Also, it may have been a one-time event. As far as knocking on wood, good idea. LOL At this point, let me see the fluid. From many years of experience, I agree with the idea that "if it isn't broken, don't fix it." LOL

I know you replaced the mounts. There is a chance that is why you got the original hard shift.

Let me know.

Joe
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Monday, December 4th, 2023 AT 8:14 PM
Tiny
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Yeah, this looks completely different! I don't have a good feeling about changing that. I'm driving this until it can't no more! Then maybe snag a used one with lower mileage. Rebuild I think is going to be out of the question. Too expensive.
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Tuesday, December 5th, 2023 AT 7:50 AM
Tiny
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Hi,

Yep, that is a lot dirtier than I would have expected based on the first pic. If you decide you want to rebuild the transmission, let me know and I'll help you through it.

Take care,

Joe
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Tuesday, December 5th, 2023 AT 6:01 PM
Tiny
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I am definitely considering that. This transmission does not look too difficult. The hard part is getting it out. Trying to research this trans to see what their known for going bad. So far i've come up with both shift solenoids, input speed sensor, clutch shift solenoid. I have my eye on a used trans. It was a gm refurb. A guy in Ohio has it but does not know the status. He got it to rebuild but got rid of the car. He wants $75 for it. All I have to do is drive to Ohio. I could work on this as I have time while I still have my car to drive. I don't know. Have to think about it some more.

Can you recommend a quality rebuild kit/brand? Is there anything that needs to be reflashed as far as ECM after the rebuild? Actually, I think i'd rather enjoy doing this. Sort of like building a model, you know?

I appreciate all your responses.
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Wednesday, December 6th, 2023 AT 5:41 AM
Tiny
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Hi,

As far as the rebuild kit, they are mostly the same. There are many different brands such as Crown, Jeggs, Raybestos, and so on. The best thing to do would be to contact a dealer near you and get the store brand. Chances are it is made by one of the ones I mentioned with the store's name on it.

Let me know if I can help.

Joe
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Wednesday, December 6th, 2023 AT 7:51 PM

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