Temperature reading

Tiny
ALAN CLEMENS
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  • 2006 CHEVROLET COBALT
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Hello, recently I have had my clutch replaced in my car and all is good with that. When my mechanic put the temperature sensor back on the transmission it did not work. I never had a problem with it before this. He did some problem solving and told me that the computer is only sending 2.5 volts to the sensor instead of the five it needs. So today I got a second hand computer and went to program it to my car but they could not reprogram either one because the sensor was not communicating. Any tips as to what it might be?
Monday, January 22nd, 2018 AT 12:59 PM

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Tiny
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The first problem is you fell victim to one of GM's many customer-unfriendly business practices. They designed their computers so you have to buy a new one from the dealer and have it programmed by them. There are a few used ones that can be reprogrammed to a different car, but the dealers don't like to admit that. They want you to buy a new one.

The second issue is that 2.5 volts your mechanic found. Without being right there to look over his shoulder, I can share that 2.5 volts is a perfect signal voltage, but there's more to the story. The proper way to take the reading is with the sensor plugged in, then anything between approximately 0.5 and 4.5 volts is acceptable. A reading outside that range will trigger a diagnostic fault code.

When the sensor is unplugged, being the circuit is interconnected to other circuitry inside the computer, the voltage could "float" to some random value that the computer might or might not accept. To prevent that, a "pull-up" resistor, or in some cases, a "pull-down" resistor is used to force the signal voltage to go to a defective condition so a fault code will set. To say that a simpler way, when the sensor is unplugged, the voltage measured in the connector will go to 5.0 volts. That is what the mechanic was referring to. The issue is, did he measure that 2.5 volts with the sensor plugged in or unplugged? If it was plugged in, the reading is perfect. If it was unplugged, the 2.5 volts is not correct; it should be 5.0 volts. The thing to do then is connect a scanner to view live data and see what the computer is seeing.

My suspicion is the scanner is going to show 5.0 volts while the mechanic finds 2.5 volts at the connector. That would point to that signal wire is cut. If the scanner shows 2.5 volts with the sensor unplugged, something other than the sensor is pulling it down from the 5.0 volt starting point, and that would point to a grounded signal wire. Most commonly that would be a wire rubbed bare and touching a rusty or dirty metal part that makes less than a perfect connection.

The secret here is to take two measurements at two times. One is at the sensor's connector, and the other is just from observing the reading on the scanner. That is what the computer is seeing. Those two readings are taken first with the sensor connected, then again with it unplugged. Based on those four readings, we should be able to figure out where to go next. The reading at the connector and that shown on the scanner are supposed to be the same at all times. When they're different, it has to be due to a wiring or connector terminal problem.

Be aware the Engine Computer develops the 5.0-volt power supply that feeds a majority of the engine sensors. If there's a problem inside the computer with that power supply, you're going to have a pile of diagnostic fault codes for all those other sensors. If a wire is grounded, the computer should turn that power supply off to protect it. You have to remove the short, then it is usually necessary to turn the ignition switch off, then back on to reset it.
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Tuesday, January 23rd, 2018 AT 5:51 PM
Tiny
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Wow that was incredibly informative. Thank you for the detailed info, I suspected it was I wire issue and after reading that there is no doubt that it is. Any chance you are in the Toronto area?
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Tuesday, January 23rd, 2018 AT 6:07 PM
Tiny
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Nope. I'm almost perfectly straight west of you in north central Wisconsin, U.S.

Of course it looks like I'm a genius. I only know a dozen things, and you asked about one of them! The problem is I taught Automotive Electrical to include the operation and diagnosis of sensor circuits, but by the mid 2000s, there are too many variations in how the manufacturers do things to keep up with all of them. I only described part of the basic coolant temperature sensor circuit operation, and the logical suspects, that pertain to all cars. If you can keep me updated on your mechanic's progress or provide additional observations, I'll suggest other things to look for.

One thing in particular that has happened to me, since a sensor was unplugged, is a male terminal gets bent over or pushed out, or a female terminal becomes spread apart to the point it makes no or intermittent contact. The clue is the reading on the scanner would be the same whether the sensor was plugged in or unplugged. Normal operation would be the coolant temperature sensor's voltage seen on the scanner should be 5.0 volts with the sensor unplugged, and it should drop to roughly 2.5 volts when plugged in, at room temperature. Also, it should drop to 0.0 volts if the signal wire is grounded with a jumper wire at the connector. There always could be a problem inside the computer, but that would be extremely uncommon. Sensor circuits are very low-power circuits, so component failure is very rare.

I should mention too that temperature sensors for air, coolant, transmission, etc. Have almost no failures because there's just one component inside them. Other than a rash of coolant temperature sensor failures on Fords in the early '90s, 99 percent of temperature sensor failures are due to bent or corroded connector terminals.
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Wednesday, January 24th, 2018 AT 4:52 PM

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