Shop did not put a lug nut on after tires mounted, drove 60 approximately miles

Tiny
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So I had my tires mounted and I just today realized they didn't put on one of my lug nuts. I only have driven the truck twice since having them mounted. 60 miles maximum but very likely less.

I see that "if you are missing a lug nut, it is important to have it replaced as soon as possible. It is potentially dangerous to drive around with a missing lug nut because of the extra pressure exerted on the wheel. This pressure can damage the wheel bearings, studs, and cause other lug nuts to fall off."

Anything I should look at to see if anything happened in those miles? I am now worried and anxious about it, not sure if anybody can say for sure what did or didn't happen negatively because of the missing lug nut. Thank you for your help
Monday, January 20th, 2020 AT 1:03 PM

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Tiny
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There's more vehicles out there with missing lug nuts than you realize, but when is the last time you heard of that causing problem? The warning you listed is partly to avoid liability issues, and partly to prevent other problems from developing.

The wheel bearing has no idea if a lug nut is missing. That won't affect its ability to do its job.

As a suspension and alignment specialist, what is more important to me is proper tightening of those lug nuts. Since the mid 1980's, it is standard practice to use a click-type torque wrench to set them to specs. The published torque specs for your vehicle are uncommonly broad, ranging from 85 to 115 foot-pounds. At the dealership, it was common to see 95 foot-pounds for cars and small SUV's with steel wheels, and 85 foot-pounds with cast wheels.

Four things come into play with those torque specs. A small person can get them off to change a flat tire. The even clamping forces will avoid warping brake rotors. The lug nuts will not work loose, and the threads won't be damaged from over-tightening. Over-tightening can also deform the matching curved mating areas between the nuts and the wheel. It's those mating surfaces that hold the nuts tight.

Go back to the shop that replaced the tires and allow them the chance to replace the lug nut and check all of them for proper tightness. If they find the threads on the stud are peeled or damaged, it is important to understand they did not cause that damage. Damage to threads is caused by the person who tightened them previously at the last time the wheel was removed. The threads do not become damaged by removing the nuts. They become damaged from over-tightening them with air tools, then that damage shows up the next time it has to be removed.
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Monday, January 20th, 2020 AT 1:34 PM
Tiny
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Yes I understand.
I am about to crack all of them loose, and properly torque them as I have a 13 hour drive ahead of me and want to be prepared for a flat. Thanks for all the great info.
Now, hypothetically speaking - if they over torqued all my lug nuts. Did any damage happen yet? Is it even possible under such a small amount of miles?
But not to worry, won't be driven again until I clarify all are properly torqued. I went down to the shop and they gave me a new lug nut.
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Monday, January 20th, 2020 AT 1:38 PM
Tiny
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The miles really aren't the issue. The damage can be done with the vehicle still on the hoist. This wasn't such a problem many years ago when cars were bigger and heavier because the studs were fatter and required much higher torque values. Also, everything came with steel wheels which are more forgiving. Today mechanics from that era who were accustomed to using air wrenches have learned their lessons long ago. They're the most likely to drag out the torque wrench, and they fear cutting corners or taking shortcuts.

It's the inexperienced and untrained mechanics who grab the impact gun to save time. They don't understand the importance of equal and correct torque on the nuts. Competent do-it-yourselfers are the most likely to think "if tight is good, tighter is better".

Another important point is we often like to place grease on the threads to prevent them from rusting. When we can't get a lug nut loose, it is really more from over-tightening in the past than it is from rust. A light film of grease on the threads won't hurt, but there are some things to be aware of. The first is the lug nuts must be run on by hand, not with air tools. The grease can build up ahead of the spinning nut, then get flung out onto the friction surface between the wheel and nut. That friction is needed to hold the nut tight and grease prevents that.

The second issue worth mentioning has mostly to do with imports. Most of them have silver, light blue, or light yellow studs. That color is an anodized coating which is a lubricant already. Adding grease will dissolve that coating, and that can lead to peeling the threads the next time the nut is removed. No grease should be used on anodized studs.

A third, less-common problem involves anti-seize compound. Use of that on lug nuts and studs might get a mechanic one verbal warning, but for a second occurrence, he will be invited to look for work at some other shop. This is a really big deal that no shop owner wants the liability for.

I had one car that a well-meaning coworker had replaced the struts on, then sent it to me for the alignment. He used anti-seize compound on the two really fat lower strut bolts, thinking that would make it easier for me to get them loose. In fact, I couldn't tighten them enough to stop the wheels from flopping in on top, badly out-of-alignment. Out of frustration for failing to tighten them enough three times, I over-tightened them so much with a had ratchet, that I snapped one of them. I actually pulled a 7/8"-diameter bolt apart in the middle. There was absolutely no friction between the nut and the bolt and the strut. That's when I had to take it apart and I saw the anti-seize compound. Regular axle grease won't cause that lack of friction.

That sad story illustrates why there is no place for anti-seize compound around wheel studs.

For my last comment of value, be aware that a lot of vehicles today come with cast wheels. Those are soft and are prone to damage from the nuts' mating surfaces becoming deformed from over-tightening. Once that happens, the nuts will never remain tight and the wheel must be replaced. It is also not uncommon for the nuts to work loose as slight irregularities in the mating surfaces grind away. For that reason, it is common to expect to have to recheck the tightness at least once after 50 to 100 miles.
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Monday, January 20th, 2020 AT 4:32 PM
Tiny
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Okay. Wonderful information thank you for the detail. Yes, they over torqued all of mine like crazy. Going to buy a breaker bar in the morning, and use a torque wrench to set them all correctly. I will definitely check my them periodically. Again, thank you for all the information.
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Monday, January 20th, 2020 AT 7:23 PM
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