Popping noise from front passengers side

Tiny
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I recently lowered my car on new coil-overs and I replaced my drivers side tie rod (inner and outer) because it was no good anymore (tire place said they couldn’t align it until I swapped it out). After all that I took it in for a wheel alignment and almost immediately after that (like the next day) I could hear a popping noise from the passengers side wheel area but only when turning hard (like backing into a spot) so I took it back to them and they checked everything over and said it was all safe and that they weren’t able to replicate the noise. Over the next week or so it has been getting a lot worse and now it makes that noise constantly even when driving straight. The only time it isn’t making the constant popping noises is when I’m at freeway speeds, if the road is super smooth or if I am stationary. I’ve tried to replicate the noise on jack stands to try and figure out where it is coming from but no luck. I can’t find anything obvious that is wrong or loose. Any suggestions on what to check?

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Tuesday, July 21st, 2020 AT 7:43 AM

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Tiny
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Couple things. Can you get a recording of the noise?

Next, just from the sound of it this sounds like a spring issue. When you put the vehicle on jack stands to try and replicate it, where did you put the jack stand? Under the suspension or on a pinch weld/sub-frame rail?

Here is a guide that will help with this:

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/popping-noise
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Tuesday, July 21st, 2020 AT 3:28 PM
Tiny
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I have it on stands right now (on the frame itself) and when I spin the steering wheel back and forth (full to one side then the other) I can occasionally hear that same noise. I got someone else to spin the wheel while I was next to the area that the sounds is coming from and I am almost certain that it is something to do with the coil-over strut, but I cannot see anything wrong with it.
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Tuesday, July 21st, 2020 AT 4:17 PM
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That pop sound right at the beginning of the video (right when the wheels get straight) is what I’m hearing while driving but extremely frequently on semi uneven roads and corners mostly at lower speeds like 40-50km/h. I’m not sure if that video helps or not though.
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Tuesday, July 21st, 2020 AT 4:24 PM
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You must understand the engineers devoted thousands of hours to designing the geometric angles that are inter-related with the steering and suspension systems. You messed that all up when you altered the suspension ride height. As a former suspension and alignment specialist at a very nice family-owned Chrysler dealership, I had the owners' and service manager's blessings to refuse to align any raised truck or lowered car. They knew the importance of correct ride height, and they understood I could be leaving them open for future lawsuits if I worked on altered vehicles. That is why most reputable shops will not align your car now.

One of the biggest issues has to do with "scrub radius". That is an imaginary line drawn between the two steering pivot points, in your case, the lower ball joint and the upper strut mount. That line is designed to intersect the road surface at a very specific point midway across the tire's tread pattern. Wider wheels, deep offset wheels, and replacement tires with a different outer circumference also change scrub radius. The potential for a lawsuit is when the other guy runs a red light and causes a crash. His lawyer or insurance investigator will convince a jury that you were partly at fault because you were less-able to avoid the crash, and they will usually be right. By altering ride height, you've compromised all of those inter-related geometric angles, and those have compromised braking ability, handling, steering response, and even comfort, which leads to fatigue.

Be aware correct alignment adjustments account for only half of tire wear and handling issues. The other half comes from the changes the geometric angles go through as the car bounces up and down on the road. That is why a majority of passenger cars call for slightly positive "camber", meaning the front wheels lean out a little on top. With altered ride height on any vehicle with independent front suspension, you definitely will have accelerated tire wear even when the numbers on the alignment computer look perfect. For this reason, most tire stores will not give you a mileage warranty with new tires. This even applies to a few cars that are well-known to have severe design compromises that accentuate comfort while sacrificing tire wear. (Comfort on a test drive sells new cars. The miserable tire wear doesn't show up until after you've made a half dozen car payments).

As far as the vehicle itself, one of the most common mistakes competent do-it-yourselfers, and even inexperienced mechanics make is when you changed the ride height, you changed the angle of the lower control arm, which should be parallel to the ground. The simple fact its angle has changed means the rubber control arm bushings are now in a permanent twist, which will greatly reduce their life expectancy. This is even a problem when replacing suspension parts on any vehicle when that suspension is drooping from the vehicle hanging on a hoist. Proper procedure is to bounce the vehicle or drive it around the parking lot with the pivot bolts loose, so the suspension can settle, then tighten the bolts while the vehicle is sitting on the ground or a drive-on hoist. You won't be able to crawl under your car to do that now, but you might consider setting the car on four jack stands with those stands placed under the control arms, as far out as possible. That will keep the suspension up at its new ride height. At that point, loosen the control arm pivot bolts, then retighten them. That will let the bushings snap back to their at-rest position.

Now that the noise has been occurring for a while, look for "witness marks", meaning shiny spots where paint or rust has been worn off from something rubbing against it. In particular, check the half shafts for signs of contact with the lower control arms. Check the anti-sway bar links to see if they're hitting something. This will be lower down on the list of suspects since the studs are still close to their regular position, but you don't want to overlook anything.

There's three categories of things to look for. The most obvious one to most people is new parts were installed, so that is the place to start looking. Less-obvious is the changed orientation of the steering and suspension parts. That's where you have to look for parts interfering with each other that weren't previously. Typically the alignment specialist is concerned with the third category. That's worn parts, but with a twist in this case. While this is much less common, it is not unheard of for a ball joint to develop a worn spot that doesn't affect anything until the ball sits in a different orientation. That is what happens when ride height is changed. When you hit just the right bump in the road, the ball might rotate through a tight spot in the housing, then pop free. I can't tell you how many times I replaced a slightly sloppy ball joint only to be surprised at how really sloppy it was once it was removed.

Feel around the inside of the inner fender to see if something is hitting the coil spring. This will usually be attaching bolts or other hardware run through from the engine compartment. Due to the shape of the lower part of the spindle, the coil springs on a lot of cars do not simply rotate when you turn the steering system. The spring is offset from that scrub radius line I mentioned, so that spring moves around as it rotates. You may have to hit the magic combination of steering direction and compression / rebound from a bump in the road, to make the interference occur.

Since up to this point you haven't been able to identify the cause with the car standing still, consider looking for a tool called the "Chassis Ear". That is a set of six microphones, a switch box, and headphones. You clip the microphones to suspect parts, then switch between them while on a test-drive. I found the older model on eBay for $99.00, half of what the guys on the tool trucks used to charge. The microphones are wired and plugged into the switch box, so you have to be careful where you run those wires. One of the newer models uses wireless microphones, but it costs a lot more too. Be aware a lot of mechanics have never heard of this tool. Suspension specialists use it most often. You may be able to find one at an auto parts store that rents or borrows tools. In my city, they make you buy the tool, then you get a full refund when you take it back. If you choose to keep a tool, you still take the old one back, then they order or give you a brand new one.

Kasekenny mentioned this sounds like a spring issue. Binding upper strut mounts commonly cause a clunking noise when slowly turning the steering wheel, but due to normal vibration when driving, you will not hear that at highway speeds. For spring-related noises while driving, besides interference with other parts, look at the pockets the top and bottom of the spring sits in. There is usually a shaped channel the end is designed to fit into, and the end of the spring is at the end of that channel. If the spring isn't seated in the right orientation, it could walk back and forth, and since it's under high pressure, it will make a snapping noise when it moves.

I'll let you guys continue on. Anxious to learn what is causing the noise.
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Tuesday, July 21st, 2020 AT 5:57 PM
Tiny
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I appreciate the long reply, lots of useful information in there. My friend is a mechanic and I got him over to help me diagnose it. We went for a drive as it happens almost constantly while driving around. His best guess just from the noises made during the drive was a bad end link. He said he’s going to have me come over hopefully this week to take it apart and look it all over and figure it out. His brother has the same car as me And same coil-overs and his is practically scraping on flat pavement it’s so low and he hasn’t run into any issues yet. Fingers crossed on a fix soon.
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Tuesday, July 21st, 2020 AT 7:58 PM
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Clearly that is a little hard to tell but if you can get it to do it on jack stands just turning the wheel then I would agree with what your friend is saying. However, I am wondering if you put the jack stand on the lower control arm if the noise would be louder while testing it like this. The reason is, when you have the jack stand on the frame, the suspension is unloaded and "hanging" down. When you put the jack stand under the control arm you are putting the load/weight of the vehicle on the suspension as if it were sitting on the ground.

Does this make sense? Either way, let us know what you find this weekend. Thanks
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Wednesday, July 22nd, 2020 AT 5:24 PM
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Hey, yes that’s a really good idea! I will definitely give that a try next chance I get to look at it (hopefully tomorrow evening). Thank you for the suggestion, I’ll keep you posted.
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Wednesday, July 22nd, 2020 AT 5:27 PM
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Sounds great. Keep us posted. We will wait to hear back. Thanks
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Wednesday, July 22nd, 2020 AT 6:35 PM
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Hey, so I swapped my end-links (put the driver side to passenger and vice versa) to see if the sound would switch sides also (meaning that the end link would be the problem if so) and after swapping them and going for a test drive around town the noise is gone. Now I’m not sure if it’s permanently gone or not yet I’m going to give it a few days and see if it returns before I celebrate too much, but if it doesn’t then maybe it was something simple like the end link wasn’t properly installed the first time? I’m not really sure to be honest but I will keep and eye on it and if it comes back I’ll make another comment. I appreciate all the help!
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Thursday, July 23rd, 2020 AT 9:04 PM
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So the choice is yours at this point. Either replace them or leave it until there is an issue. I would normally just leave it be if there is no issues and when there is one to address, you can address it then. That is just me and I agree that most likely it was not installed properly.

You have to love it when things work out.
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Friday, July 24th, 2020 AT 3:17 PM

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