Where is the PCV located?

Tiny
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  • 2012 CADILLAC CTS
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I have oil in my air intake, but I can’t locate the PCV valve on the car listed above coupe.
Monday, February 21st, 2022 AT 3:42 AM

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Tiny
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Hello, it is located on the right valve cover (passenger side). I will post the diagrams below.
Has the Check Engine Light on or been on recently?

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-use-an-engine-vacuum-gauge

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/checking-a-service-engine-soon-or-check-engine-light-on-or-flashing
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Monday, February 21st, 2022 AT 10:43 AM
Tiny
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No check engine light, I just purchased the car Saturday, and there’s a prominent oil smell in the cabin. I was going through everything yesterday, and when I opened the air cleaner box, I found oil in the flex tube going to the intake. Not seeing any leaks, except for the tubing is somewhat loose where it connects to the plastic fitting that is on the driver's side. Some people are calling that a PCV valves, but it’s just a fitting.
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Monday, February 21st, 2022 AT 11:03 AM
Tiny
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I will do some of the tests that you sent me on the last page later today and see what I can fine. Thanks for the pertinent information, it was very helpful.
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Monday, February 21st, 2022 AT 11:07 AM
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I'll look and see if there are any Technical Service Bulletins on the subject, there may be another hose from the opposite side valve cover connecting the 2, I didn't see any in the diagrams, but they are not always 100% correct.
The PCV system is for crankcase pressure, if it is excessive, that can mean the piston rings are getting worn somewhat and you're getting too much blow-by pressure into the crankcase.
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Monday, February 21st, 2022 AT 11:32 AM
Tiny
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I understand that. I just am having a problem getting the PCV valve out because it’s a 90° plastic and it looks like it has some sort of retainer. I’m trying to send you a video.
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Monday, February 21st, 2022 AT 2:46 PM
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Here’s a video. Do I have to press on those clips to get that offer can I just put it out I don’t want to break it.
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Monday, February 21st, 2022 AT 2:51 PM
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Can you send me a diagram of the crank case ventilation system?
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Monday, February 21st, 2022 AT 3:26 PM
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I like diagrams that makes it easy to understand.
Do you have to destroy the PCV valve hose to get it all apart because it’s a hard hose?
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Monday, February 21st, 2022 AT 3:27 PM
Tiny
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Okay, I found a tab from YouTube video to get it off the PCV valve and I got the valve out. Can I clean the PCV valve I don’t have one with me I can blow through it but not very well, but the holes are really small? Should I hear any noise inside that valve like the old valves from years ago?
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Monday, February 21st, 2022 AT 3:41 PM
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Well, the real issue with them is carbon build up from over the years, the crankcase pressure needs a place to go, so it's released into the intake to be burned through the PCV system, if it can't release that pressure, it will start pushing out other places, like the front main seal, rear main seal, etc. Make sure that the line that runs to the valve cover is clear too, do the Inspection sheet I posted up above (page 6 and 7). The line that attaches to the PCV valve gets carbon build up inside too. The valve only allows a certain metered amount of flow, so if it's too small of an amount of flow, it can cause issues, rough idle, stalling, etc. So, if you really should replace it if you're getting oil all the way into the intake air tube, Thats pretty extreme. The longer you wait, the worse things are going to get.
You don't want to end up getting carbon build up on the mass air flow sensor.

Here are the listed components below, they don't offer very detailed diagrams of it.
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Monday, February 21st, 2022 AT 4:06 PM
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Read a few articles that said that the PCV valve holes are too restrictive, and to open them up a little bit with a drill, I didn’t find a whole lot wrong with the PCV valve, it had a little bit of stuff in it but nothing drastic but I cleared it out... And the tube was clear... The other tube, on the driver's side was clear as well. I took the air inlet flex tube out and washed the oil out of it. I have vacuum on the other tube so I shouldn’t be getting any oil back in there now...

Note: I didn’t check that tube previously for vacuum or pressure... But I can only assume it had pressure on it otherwise it would be no oil in the make-up air tube.
I hope my findings are good!

If it continues to dump oil into the air tube. (I know that’s not what’s it’s called, lol) what is your opinion about an oil catch can?
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Monday, February 21st, 2022 AT 6:48 PM
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Does this model have a turbo charger? A fault in the turbo charge can cause oil to end up in the intake tube, excessive oil pressure being pushed into the valve cover area, there should be oil pushed up into the top end to lubricate the camshafts and components up there but too much oil will be drawn into the PCV system. Do you keep up with the oil changes on this car? If the oil changes are neglected buildup of carbon occurs and passages get clogged and that can cause high oil pressure in some areas and lower in others. Or even possible worn-down piston rings causing excessive blow by into the crankcase. Things like this are usually what cause oil in the intake tube.
You could try an oil additive to try and clean up and carbon deposits.
I see some models may have a turbo charger on them, but I'm not sure about your vehicle. I'm looking through the Bulletins to see if there's anything to check besides what's listed above. Here's some pictures of carbon build up issues due to lack of maintenance and oil changes. Really if there isn't a problem with a turbo or super charger type system, keeping up with the regular 30,000, 60,000, 90,000 mileage services is what you want to do, and keeping the oil changes regular, especially if you make long distance trips.
There is a Technical Service Bulletin on cylinder bore issues, this would cause excessive blow by on the piston rings into the crankcase. But I don't see anything exactly mentioning oil in the intake tube. So, it can really be caused by a lot of things or a combination of smaller issues.
I'd start with changing the PCV valve, get one from the dealership, they might have an updated part. If your car does have a turbo charger, you can get that checked out, make sure it's functioning correctly and there's no issues with it.
But with the way cars are built these days, keeping up with maintenance is a big deal. Making sure the correct type of oil is put in it. Technology has advanced so far now, especially with higher end vehicles like a Cadillac, they need extra care. A PCV valve that's too restrictive would cause the car to leak oil in other places, because the crankcase pressure would just start to push out of lower engine seals.
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Tuesday, February 22nd, 2022 AT 1:41 PM
Tiny
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No turbo charger, on CTS 3.6 that I know of only super charger on the V Type 6.2.
They do turbo charge the 2.0 I4, that’s after 2013.
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Tuesday, February 22nd, 2022 AT 1:48 PM
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Should there be vacuum from the engine, on the driver side piping going to the inlet on the air make up boot? There is and as I stated before I don’t know if there was vacuum before I checked it and cleaned it.
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Tuesday, February 22nd, 2022 AT 1:50 PM
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I’ve been told to add Gumout multi system tune-up for the valve cleaning and Royal Purple gas tank additive to clean the fuel injectors just as an added afterthought.
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Tuesday, February 22nd, 2022 AT 1:52 PM
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If it's a line going to the intake manifold, there will be vacuum there when the throttle plates are closed. Manifold vacuum drops when the throttle plates are opened. GM recommends not using any fuel or oil additives on these vehicles. Just using the proper oil listed in the owner's manual and keeping up with regular changes. Those additives can actually cause damage to certain parts of the engine. Mostly to seals because the additives are made to break up carbon build up so they're too strong and you can end up with premature oil leaks.
I didn't put the whole TSB down below because the rest is just about keeping tire pressures correct and things to do to improve gas mileage. Using cruise control, etc.
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Tuesday, February 22nd, 2022 AT 2:13 PM

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