Code P2227, Barometric pressure sensor causing stalling at idle?

Tiny
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I cleaned the throttle body and turbo and all the MAP sensors and MAF. I cannot find this sensor and it does cause stalling sometimes.
Friday, May 17th, 2024 AT 8:01 AM

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Tiny
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Hi,

They hid this one. The barometric pressure sensor isn't serviceable. It is integral to the powertrain control module (PCM). For vehicles without a BARO sensor and with a MAP sensor, the BARO value is inferred by the PCM based on the MAP value under certain operating conditions.

Is this the only code that is present? If so, take a look through the diagnostics I included below. Let me know if you are comfortable performing them. They do require a scan tool that can communicate with the PCM.

Let me know.

Joe

See pics below.
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Monday, May 20th, 2024 AT 6:52 PM
Tiny
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Personally, I've fixed a few things. I cleaned the MAF sensor, and two map sensors, throttle body and turbo with a CRC cleaner. I also replaced the coolant reservoir and the coolant pump. So far, I haven't got a code for the barometric sensor again, but I still have the p0420 permanent code.
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Tuesday, May 21st, 2024 AT 6:52 AM
Tiny
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Hi,

I didn't realize you had a catalytic converter code. I thought the P2227 was the code causing a problem. If you have resolved that issue, that is good news.

As far as the P0420, that indicates the catalytic converter is operating below threshold. In most cases, the converter needs to be replaced. To check it, you can use an infrared thermometer to see if it is functioning.

With the engine running and at operating temperature, check the inlet temp of the converter. Then, check the outlet temp. The outlet temperature should be hotter. If it isn't, then the oxygen sensors can't do their job which is likely causing an air fuel mixture issue. Here are two links, one explains the result of a faulty converter, and the other link explains how to test one:

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/bad-catalytic-converter-symptoms

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-test-a-catalytic-converter

Let me know if that helps or if you have other questions.

Take care,

Joe
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Tuesday, May 21st, 2024 AT 6:44 PM
Tiny
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The other things I fixed was to rule out that it wasn't an overheating issue or caused by low oil pressure. I got p0420 as the code that caused the freeze frame data, but I have had the p2227 do the same thing.

I tried to put a spacer on the downstream oxygen sensor but that seemed to throw more codes.
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Wednesday, May 22nd, 2024 AT 11:27 AM
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What did you place on the oxygen sensor? If you used a plug saver; did you drill the hole larger at the end of it? What new codes are you getting since this was done?

The idea that the sensor isn't fully inserted into the exhaust may be causing the P0420.

Let me know as much as you can. Also, if there are other codes, let me know them as well.

Take care,

Joe
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Wednesday, May 22nd, 2024 AT 7:38 PM
Tiny
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No, I meant I tried to use one of those spacers on the downstream oxygen sensor to get rid p0420 code and it didn't work. I put some more cleaner in the cat but I think I'm going to have to bite the bullet if it doesn't work
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Thursday, May 23rd, 2024 AT 10:03 AM
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Hi,

It may just be bad. Try checking the temperature at the inlet and outlet to see if the outlet is hotter. It should be.

Let me know.

Joe
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Thursday, May 23rd, 2024 AT 5:43 PM
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The inlet is hotter and outlet near downstream sensor is about half the temperature of the upstream.
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Friday, May 24th, 2024 AT 6:53 PM
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Hi,

It sounds like it may be partially plugged. The temperature should be the same with a faulty converter and hotter at the outlet if it is working.

In addition to the stalling at times, have you noticed a power loss? I would remove the upstream oxygen sensor and see if the stalling stops. If the converter is clogged, that could be causing issues with the MAP sensor due to excessive back pressure.

Let me know.

Joe
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Friday, May 24th, 2024 AT 7:15 PM
Tiny
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I did use a little laquer thinner when I removed the upstream sensor and the temperature difference dropped. Someone also cut and welded a flex pipe further down and it has a small leak before this car was sold to us. Can that affect readings?
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Sunday, May 26th, 2024 AT 3:42 PM
Tiny
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Hi,

If there is a leak downstream from the sensor, that won't affect it. However, if there is a leak before either of the oxygen sensor, that certainly can cause an air/fuel mixture issue.

If the temperature at the end of the converter (outlet) is half as hot as where it enters, something is wrong with the converter. I'm questioning if it could be partially clogged.

Let me know.

Joe
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Sunday, May 26th, 2024 AT 8:00 PM

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