Codes P0056, P0141 and P0036

Tiny
THISAUTOROOKIE
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  • 2002 CHRYSLER 300M
  • 3.5L
  • V6
  • 2WD
  • AUTOMATIC
  • 110,000 MILES
Hello, I'm getting these O2 sensor codes. It used to show P0056 and P0141, Now the P0141 changed to P0036, Interestingly, they (P0141 and P0036) both points towards bank 1 Sensor 2 and these are Heater Circuit Codes, it once found the codes definition to be O2 Sensor Heater Circuit High voltage? I have replaced the O2 Sensors multiple times, with factory and aftermarket sensors, no change. To rule out that its not the O2 sensors itself, I have tested the resistance and continuity, 4.5-5Ohms and passes continuity tests.
Next, I checked the heater circuit itself from the harness pin side to see what kind of voltage I get there. I unplugged the O2 sensor connector, with the car running, I initially tried to use my test light, that didn't light up. I then connected my multi-meter to the heater circuit pins and got 13.5V. Now that's undeniably battery voltage (which explains why the test light didn't light up). So out of curiosity I decided to check if the same voltage is present at the upstream O2 sensors (which by the way does not have any problems) the upstream heater circuit pins has 7.3V which also lights up the test light very dimly.
I believe this is the cause of my O2 Sensor check engine light.

i believe most of the engine electrical's in these cars are controlled/regulated by the PCM.

So, I'm asking what is causing battery voltage to be going to the O2 Sensor Heater Circuits?
Tuesday, February 18th, 2020 AT 11:05 AM

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Tiny
ASEMASTER6371
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Good afternoon,

You should have 12 volts at the heater for the sensor. I attached the diagram for all 4 sensors for you. The power for the heater comes from the ECM. If you do not have that voltage, a good chance you need an ECM.

Roy
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Tuesday, February 18th, 2020 AT 12:32 PM
Tiny
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Yea, I suspected that the PCM was bad too. Because it is the one responsible for sending the 12 volts (which I'm sure is supposed to be regulated) to the O2 sensor heater. So, if I'm getting over 12 volts, 13.5 volts in this case, that mean the PCM Is not doing its Job. And I don't think it should be 12 volts anyway, because I did the same test on my other car it's a 2003 300M which the O2 sensor is working and got 8-9 volts which is being regulated. But, I just wanted to get a second opinion before I call it.

It's a shame that I have to get a whole new PCM just because of faulty O2 sensor circuit in these cars.
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Tuesday, February 18th, 2020 AT 5:14 PM
Tiny
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Yep. Most likely the failed sensor may have shorted and sent a voltage surge to the ECM and that is what caused it to fail.

Rock auto normally sell them, but I just checked and they are out of stock.

Roy
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Tuesday, February 18th, 2020 AT 5:18 PM

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