Overheating

Tiny
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  • 1994 FORD EXPLORER
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I am new guys here so bear with me and I am a girl, lol. My SUV has been having a slow water leak since I bought it about a year ago, but I just check it and keeps water in it. A couple weeks ago though it started overheating and although I would fill it up it would overheat and I would have to fill it again. Last week I pulled up to my customers house (maybe two miles) and had just filled it up before I left my apartment and all the water was pouring out from underneath. The guy I work with came rescued me said it was water pump. So I bought a new one and the excellent mechanic I got (for lack of any others and putting it on myself) left it unfinished. So me and the man I work with did the best we could to finish bolting the radiator and cover back down tightened the clamps on all the hoses he left hanging etc, because we still saw water leaking out. We managed to get it all back together (with a few extra bolts he left from we do not know where) but it still seemed to be leaking to me very slowly, but from the engine? I did not see any hoses etc, that it might be running off from. Anyway filled it up with water. Next day tried to drive it got about a mile and it was boiling, gauge went straight to hot. I am being told to change thermostat? Also, I thought I heard a light pinging the day I drove very quickly trying to get it home. Is it possible I cracked my head? I do not know any decent mechanics and the local shop is way too expensive for me. Just cannot do it so looking at trying to do it myself. I weigh about 100 lbs. And do not know much about any of it. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance. P.S. Someone told me that he might have put the pump in wrong? Someone else said that is not possible? I am so confused.
Wednesday, February 7th, 2018 AT 4:59 PM

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Tiny
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First, if you have the old water pump, examine the housing right by the small weep hole under where the pulley attaches. If it was leaking from there, you should see some white or rust-colored stain as evidence. If you do not see that, it is likely that was not the leak.

Next, if you installed the new pump yourself, did you get all the old gasket material scraped off? If a small chunk was overlooked, the new gasket is not going to seal. The best is to use an air tool with an abrasive pad to be sure the gasket surface is perfectly clean. Most water pumps use a thick paper gasket. I like to add a light film of silicone gasket sealer to both sides just in case there is a deep scratch or a small piece of debris I overlooked that the paper gasket will not seal on its own.

Leftover bolts is a red flag. On a lot of engines, one or two water pump bolt holes are drilled all the way through into the cooling system. Those bolts will be real long, and you will find a crusty substance on the threads. That was a sealant used at the factory. Those threads should be cleaned on a wire wheel, then a generous blob of silicone gasket sealer should be used on the threads to be sure they seal.

It is way too early to be thinking about a cracked cylinder head. If the coolant level gets low enough to expose the thermostat to air, it will not open, and the engine will overheat. Thermostats open in response to hot liquid. Hot air will not do it. For that reason, do not worry about the overheating until the leak is stopped.

You will likely need to slide yourself underneath to search for the source of the leak. A large piece of cardboard makes the job less messy and easier to push yourself around. If you have to jack the front end up, please be sure to support the truck with jack stands under the frame. Considering where you will be working, the best is to put the jack stands behind the front tires, right on the frame rails.

Take a flashlight and a small mirror with a swivel head down there with you. If you do not see coolant running at this time, loosen the radiator cap, then search again. Vacuum can build up in the radiator that keeps more coolant from running out. Look at both sides of the engine block for multiple "core plugs" that could be corroded though and leaking. Those are about 1 1/2" in diameter and are pressed into matching holes in the block. If the antifreeze is not replaced every two years, the additives wear out, then acids form in the coolant that attacks metal parts. GM has a real big problem with that with their heater cores and radiators, but this can occur on all car brands. If you find seepage from a core plug, the repair is going to be real inexpensive, but the hardest part can be gaining access to it to pound the new one in. Auto parts stores that rent or borrow tools will have a tool kit that makes the job pretty easy. I will describe that if that becomes necessary.

For leaks that are real slow, you can add a small bottle of dark purple dye to the coolant, then search a day later with a black light. The dye will show up as a bright yellow stain that you can follow back to the source. Auto parts stores will have the correct dye for the fluid being tested, and they should have a black light you can borrow. This works best when the coolant evaporates before you have a chance to see where it is leaking from. In your case, when you see a puddle on the ground, the leak is too fast for the dye to be of value.

By the way, three of my top students were girls, and the guys had a real lot of respect for them. I respect anyone who is willing to learn how to repair the vehicles they trust to get them back home.
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Wednesday, February 7th, 2018 AT 6:31 PM
Tiny
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Thank you so much for your reply and vote of confidence! No sir I did not put the pump in I wish I had because I could not have done much worse. I cannot believe how the "mechanic" left it all. No sir, he must have taken the old pump with him. Yes the leftover bolts made me very nervous. I did get under it several times and tightened up the clamps around the hoses that were just hanging loose. That was one of the leaks that I found after he left. When I got under it and looked for leaks it looks to me like the very slow drip is coming from the engine I guess (behind the water pump a ways-not quite to the middle of vehicle). I do not see any hoses coming from it that it could be. I traced the drip as far as I could tell but did not look like from the pump? He also had not bolted the radiator down on both sides or put cover on it. I did that also. One thing I want to ask, is there is a discrepancy as to whether not having antifreeze in it will cause it to get hot that quick or not? I did not have any when I filled it up with water and just made a mental note to get some and get it in it. But it got instantly boiling hot, I had not even driven two miles, stopped at my friends and showed him the gauge shooting up to "hot" he took radiator cap off and we could not believe how hot it was. Should I try to change thermostat? I was told that it is on the outside of the engine? I always assumed it was internal. If not how could it possibly register the temperature of the water? I already called and got a price on one here locally. That is the first time I have heard of the dye product. That is awesome! Great idea! Also, he could not get the fan clutch? Off when he was working on it and had to take it to his house he said to get it off. The guy I work with was here at that moment and said he was worried he might have broken or cracked it because he was really being rough with it and when we looked at the fan there are some cracks in the blades but I could not tell you if they were already there or not. Would that make a difference in anything if the blades are in tact? Sorry I know this is like a book but I am in foreign territory. Thank you again for the support. You are a blessing real talk. Have a fabulous day!
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Thursday, February 8th, 2018 AT 3:14 AM
Tiny
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An engine cannot get that hot in just two miles if you started out with it cold. Now it is time to consider a leaking cylinder head gasket.

Water holds a lot more BTU's of heat than does antifreeze. That means it will take longer for it to get up to normal operating temperature. Water is more efficient at moving the heat from the engine to the radiator, so overheating is less likely to occur. What you are missing when there is no antifreeze, other than freeze protection, are the important additives. Those include water pump lubricant, corrosion inhibitors, and seal conditioners.

When you are ready to add the antifreeze, there is no way to know when you have drained the right amount of water first. When fully-drained, there is still going to be quite a bit of water stuck inside the engine. What I do is empty the reservoir, then the engine, then I add a gallon and a half of antifreeze. Do not be fooled by the 50/50 mix antifreeze's on the market. You are paying for two quarts of water, and it undermines your efforts of achieving the 50/50 mix in the system. Next, I add a gallon of water, then I keep adding equal amounts until the radiator is full. Run the engine enough to thoroughly mix the coolant, then check its freeze point. Now you have the reservoir to add straight water or antifreeze to get to the desired freeze point.

The best freeze point is minus thirty five degrees Fahrenheit. The problem with most testers is they determine freeze point by comparing the weight of the coolant to the weight of water. Antifreeze is heavier than water, so the tester's pointer or floating balls will rise in straight antifreeze, giving the false indication it is good for more than minus seventy degrees. In fact, straight antifreeze freezes close to minus ten degrees. It is when it is mixed with water that the freeze point becomes lower than that of either of them individually. The testers lose their accuracy once you get beyond a seventy percent antifreeze/thirty percent water mixture, which equates to about minus fifty degrees.

If you really want to get some accuracy, and money is no object, look for a "refractometer". This is a tool with a glass slide to put a drop of coolant on, and a viewer to sight through. You will see a lighter half of the viewing area and a darker half. There is a scale on the side to read at the junction of the light and dark areas to read the freeze point. I have used those before, but for our needs, the inexpensive hardware store testers are fine.

Below is a photo of one side of your engine. I added a nifty red arrow pointing to one of the core plugs, (aka "freeze plugs"). There are three on the other side too. When you have a slow, elusive leak that leaves a puddle half way between the radiator and the firewall, and a little to one side of the engine, these are the best suspects. They leak from a hole corroding through them. That is much more common when the antifreeze is not replaced every two years. Look for rust-colored stains, or a crusty build-up on those plugs. If you see that, irritate the area with a screwdriver. If one is leaking, you will usually be able to poke the screwdriver through it, then coolant will come gushing out. I can describe how to replace them if necessary.

There is a chemical tester to check for a leaking cylinder head gasket. This involves drawing air from the radiator, with the engine running, through a glass cylinder with two chambers partially-filled with a special dark blue liquid. If combustion gases are present, the liquid will turn bright yellow. It is less expensive to have your mechanic perform this test than it is to buy the tool, especially if you are never going to use it again. You might be able to find it at an auto parts store that rents or borrows tools, but they will make you buy your own bottle of fluid. That is because it is rendered ineffective if it freezes or if it becomes contaminated with coolant. They do not want to risk having someone contaminate their fluid, then they borrow it to the next person that way.

A leaking head gasket will let combustion gases sneak into the cooling system. From there, it can pool under the thermostat, preventing it from opening. That is what causes the rapid overheating. Thermostats open in response to being hit with hot liquid. Hot air will not do it.

To find the thermostat, follow the upper radiator hose to the housing. It is shown in the second photo. If the engine is overheating because of a leaking cylinder head gasket, you are likely to find lots of pressure when you remove the radiator cap, but the coolant will be cold, not hot, and it will not be steaming. The upper radiator hose will be cold too. If you find the coolant is hot, verify the radiator fan is spinning the correct direction. There are many Ford applications where the serpentine belt can be installed incorrectly, causing the water pump and fan to spin backward. Check that the ribbed side of the belt runs on the ribbed pulleys, and the smooth back side runs on the smooth pulleys.
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Thursday, February 8th, 2018 AT 5:42 PM
Tiny
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Thank you so much for taking the time to explain it all to me! What a blessing you are! And the picture helps tremendously! Yay for you! I will keep you updated. Say a prayer lol. I am going in. His ought to be special. Have a fabulous day!
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Thursday, February 8th, 2018 AT 11:42 PM
Tiny
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Had usual trouble with computer locking up and doing stuff on its own it thought I would appreciate. By the time I got done pounding keys, and waiting and waiting and waiting, ... The photos got posted twice. Rather than try to fix that, I just left well enough alone, so if you don't like the first two, use the second two!

Keep us updated on your progress.
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Friday, February 9th, 2018 AT 4:11 PM

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