Northstar Ignition misfire Problems

Tiny
JEFFREYDJUDSON
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  • 1998 CADILLAC DEVILLE
  • 4.6L
  • V8
  • FWD
  • AUTOMATIC
  • 206,000 MILES
This is for a Cadillac Technician. What I have is a typical Northstar mess. I have codes PO131, & PO151; low O2 Sensor voltage at both banks. I also have codes PO171, & PO174; system too lean, both banks. I also have a code PO300; random cylinder misfire. I have installed new plugs, and cleaned the MAF Sensor, and changed the air filter. This was an improvement, but the problems persist. It has a bad miss when cold, but this (seems to) clear after it reaches operating temperature. I have looked for vacuum leaks, and replaced the PCV Valve, and it's Grommet. This did little. I understand that the O2 Sensors go bad eventually, and they are a regular maintenance item. I have the 2 sensors that go on the exhaust manifolds, but I can't get to them to change them.

Would worn-out O2 sensors cause the engine to run so badly? It does seem to run fairly well on the highway, but it displays a lack of power on hills and stiff headwinds, and it seems to be getting bad mileage; about 20ish instead of the 24ish it used to get.

I want to change the O2 sensors, since I have the new ones; is there an easy way to get to them to replace them?

Thanks in advance!

Jeffrey
Monday, March 14th, 2016 AT 5:09 PM

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Tiny
CAR-MAN145
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No there's no easy way to get to them. And yes the o2 sensor will cause bad gas mileage and drivably problems. If the cars running lean then the computer is dumping fuel to try to make it right so even if the o2 sensors read lean its running rich.
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Tuesday, March 15th, 2016 AT 12:29 AM
Tiny
JEFFREYDJUDSON
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Thank you. I get that the engine is running rich, I can smell it in the exhaust. It produces a Urethane or Varnish chemical smell too. What I don't get is why the plugs are clean when I read them; they aren't black or fouled like they would be on an old-school engine? (I've run a small head shop since 1979, I speak carburetor & distributor quite well; it's this modern electronic stuff that befuddles me.) Someday soon I'll get this thing in my shop and change the sensors and see what happens.

Thanks again!

Jeffrey
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Saturday, March 19th, 2016 AT 7:31 PM
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KEN L
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This problem could be a weak fuel pump as well, low fuel pressure will cause the injector spray pattern to be inconsistent hence the lean code and random misfire, please get back to us with the conclusion.
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Saturday, March 19th, 2016 AT 9:18 PM

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