Engine starter not working?

Tiny
JEFFPAS
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Hi Forum,

Possibly a simple question, because I am no mechanic.

I have a 2002 Jeep Wrangler Sahara that suddenly decided not to start, only clicks once or twice and won't turn over. I have recently put a new battery in (top of the line) and despite jumping it because I couldn't think what else do to, there is no life.
The voltage needle shows the battery is charged.

I had an 88 Toyota truck where the solenoid contacts had worn out and had to be replaced, but I can't see this happening the jeep is much newer, and besides I had a Jeep Wrangler Sahara before for years and have never seen this happen.

Does anyone have any suggestions to point me in the right direction? It is freezing to work out there, could get down to 18 tonight. Food provisions should keep me alive for a day or two lol

thanks much for any advice
Tuesday, March 4th, 2008 AT 4:37 PM

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Tiny
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I would say you have a bad starter and braving the cold is the only way to know for sure. Taping on the starter with a hammer and then cranking if it starts then you know you need to replace the starter. This guide can help us fix it

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/starter-not-working-repair

Please run down this guide and report back.
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Tuesday, March 4th, 2008 AT 4:52 PM
Tiny
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Thanks much ! I will start there JP
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Tuesday, March 4th, 2008 AT 4:55 PM
Tiny
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I have a 2001 Jeep Wrangler. I never had any problems with it, I worked for like 5 hours one night, came out and my battery was completely dead. I had a buddy jump it for me. It took about 10 minutes before it was able to even start up. I tried to get it home and it died after about 45 seconds of me driving it. He drove me home and I came back with with my girlfriend and we tried jumping it. I started it by pressing the gas, but when I released, it would die right away. I eventually got it to stay started by lightly pressing the gas. I wanted to make sure it was good before I tried driving it home so I turned it off and tried turning it on again but it wouldnt start. Im trying to figure out what is wrong so I can fix it. I really cant afford to have it towed to a repair shop and pay a repair bill. My girlfriend thinks its the starter, her mechanic friend that she texted said it could be the spark plugs, the guy who tried jumping me says its the alternator. I believe its either that or the battery. Does anything jump out at you?
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Saturday, September 26th, 2020 AT 12:21 PM (Merged)
Tiny
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Make sure the battery has a full charge and the connections are clean and tight. Next, check the charging system. Do you have a digital multimeter, so you can do some testing? If battery voltage is lost, the vehicle may not run well, because of idle relearn issue. Losing battery voltage can cause all kinds of issues, besides the battery being down.
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Saturday, September 26th, 2020 AT 12:21 PM (Merged)
Tiny
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Ill check the connection, The battery was fully dead. It shows that its half charged when I have it hooked up to another battery. I dont have a digital multimeter. How do I make sure the battery has a full charge? How long should I jump it for?
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Saturday, September 26th, 2020 AT 12:21 PM (Merged)
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Some of the national brand autostores will load-test and charge the battery for you. If your going to work on your own vehicles, at the least, you need a digital multimeter. As far as trying to charge off another battery, I don't know what to tell you?
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Saturday, September 26th, 2020 AT 12:21 PM (Merged)
Tiny
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Thanks for the help. Iv also been advised to try changing the battery because it sounds like it has a deadcell since it wont hold the charge. The battery is kinda old so replacing it will be an improvment either way
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Saturday, September 26th, 2020 AT 12:21 PM (Merged)
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If a new battery doesn't fix it, let us know. Some of the national brand autostores will check the charging system for you.
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Saturday, September 26th, 2020 AT 12:21 PM (Merged)
Tiny
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Hi JDL. Remember the "minimum throttle relearn"?
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Saturday, September 26th, 2020 AT 12:21 PM (Merged)
Tiny
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Oops. Forgot to mention, this has the Chrysler Engine Computer system.
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Saturday, September 26th, 2020 AT 12:21 PM (Merged)
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Hey caradiodoc, have a good day.
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Saturday, September 26th, 2020 AT 12:21 PM (Merged)
Tiny
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I took the battery out, advance auto parts checked it and it was bad, so I got a new one, replaced it. It started, I took the negative charge off and it stayed running, so looks like it was just the battery. Thanks guys.
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Saturday, September 26th, 2020 AT 12:21 PM (Merged)
Tiny
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AAAAAGGGGGHHHHHH! DO NOT REMOVE THE BATTERY CABLE WHILE THE ENGINE IS RUNNING! That is a real easy way to destroy many of the computers. That was a trick done many years ago by mechanics who didn't understand how charging systems work, but those cars didn't have computers. Without the battery to help the voltage regulator hold system voltage down, if you speed up the engine, it is real easy for system voltage to go well over 30 volts.

Use a voltmeter to test the charging system. With the engine running, battery voltage must be between 13.75 and 14.75 volts. If it is, the system is working.

Your original problem was simply caused by running the battery dead. The Engine Computer lost its memory, and until it relearns "minimum throttle", the idle speed will be too low which is what you described. The new battery didn't fix the problem. The fix was to drive it at highway speed with the engine warmed up, then coast for at least seven seconds without touching the brake or gas pedals. At that point the Engine Computer takes a reading from the throttle position sensor and puts it in memory. From then on, any time it sees that same voltage, it knows your foot is off the gas pedal and it has to be in control of idle speed.
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Saturday, September 26th, 2020 AT 12:21 PM (Merged)
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Even without voltmeter abilities,

"Auto Zone" and "Advance Auto" both have a little meter that has LED lights on it (I even "had" one, for my wife's rig, I was gonna snap a pic and post it, however, she just told me she lent it to one of her employees, months ago.I reckon I need to go shopping. They're not but a few bucks!

The way you use it is Vehicle OFF touch it to the battery terminals and it will indicate whether your battery is Charged or not. Red or green light

Then you crank it and touch the terminals, it will display your alternator output, red, yellow or green as far as how well it is charging.

Probably a decent investment at less than $10

It was gray in color and maybe 1" X 1-1/2" X 4". With 2 short leads, and 5 or 6 LEDs on the front

Sorta primitive, but some people need something compact/ durable/ fool proof/ and also "doubles" as a useful gift for an employee!

The Medic
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Saturday, September 26th, 2020 AT 12:21 PM (Merged)
Tiny
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Car don't start ignition wont allow car to crank with the key on can hot wire It and will start right up and runs. What do I change switch and key and transducer what about a code I need direction thanks
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Saturday, September 26th, 2020 AT 12:22 PM (Merged)
Tiny
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You need to add some punctuation so I know how to read what you wrote. I did figure out you jumped something to cause the starter to work but you didn't say what you jumped. You also didn't include any symptoms. There are a lot of different problems in a number of different circuits that will cause many different symptoms. Do you hear light clicks from relays? A single loud clunk from the starter? Does "ignition wont allow car to crank with the key" mean the ignition switch won't turn?
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Saturday, September 26th, 2020 AT 12:22 PM (Merged)
Tiny
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My 2000 Jeep Wrangler has 57000miles on it. Lately it has been having starting issues. Now, this blows my mind. I have a full battery and from time to time when I go to start the engine, I turn the key and there will be silence, only a small flash of my seatbelt light. Then I go to restart and the same thing might happen, or it might crank over and start. Sometimes it's the very next try, sometimes it's the fifth try and it will fire up. Sometimes I can go a week before it acts up, or sometimes it's every other day. But, anyway when I do have this problem and it finally decides to grab electrical power and start, my radio clock will be reset and all the presets will be erased as if my battery was disconnected.

The very first time I had the starting problem the engine wouldn't catch, but now it just this problem. It only didn't catch on one occasion. There is also times after the engine has started, it will idle very rough and stall out. I can restart it and it will run fine.

As of now, the only thing I can think of that will fix this problem is to drive it off a cliff. In my mind it could be so many different things.
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Saturday, September 26th, 2020 AT 12:27 PM (Merged)
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Want to sell it? LOL just kidding. Check your battery connections first make sure they're not corroded.
Second check your ground wire, maake sure it's clean.
Third make sure your starter looks clean where it it's connected to your block. That is your other ground.
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Saturday, September 26th, 2020 AT 12:27 PM (Merged)

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