Intermittent rough idle when starting and warm

Tiny
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My car was sitting unused in a garage for about two years. I had to replace the battery, and for some reason also the alternator was bad after that time (had no issues when it was parked).

I drove it to my friend's repair shop to get the alternator replaced, which he did. He advised me to get new gas in it and apply injector cleaner, which I did. I also applied Heet. On the way to the gas station, there was thick black exhaust, which I attribute to bad gas, because I never saw it again. I drove it back to his shop where we discussed the exhaust; he had me press on the accelerator while he was looking at something under the hood.

That is when he noticed that the heat gauge was off the charts. He had me shut it down immediately. It turned out that no coolant had been in the car the whole time, apparently it had evaporated while sitting. He had never checked it, and I would not have known to do so.

Coolant was poured in, resulting in jets of steam. This went on for a while until it was cool enough to be filled with coolant. When it was restarted, there was a terrible problem with the idle. He detected misfires on two cylinders and thought that there was serious engine damage.

The car seemed to be a loss. But later that day, he started it again, and it was completely fine. He drove it to my house. However, there is not a happy ending yet. I have a terrible issue after I have driven it a while, switch it off, and again restart it within a short time. I get issues with a very rough idle which will either 1) 'catch' and then the car will be fine to drive, or 2) idle rougher and rougher, until it bucks (the entire car will jolt forward and back), and eventually stall. Once I saw white smoke coming from the hood. Again, I thought that there was permanent engine damage, but upon starting the car again a couple of days later, again it was fine.

So this is a very strange problem, which affects the start mostly when the car has been recently used and driven for a period of time (a warm start). It will idle rough, 'catch' and then idle and drive fine, or it will degenerate into a really bad state, as I have described.

Please help. My mechanic friend is at a loss. I do not know enough about car mechanics to hazard a guess.

Thanks.
Friday, August 10th, 2018 AT 11:25 AM

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Tiny
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The coolant would not have evaporated, it may have leaked out however. Pouring coolant into a hot engine is never a good idea. It can easily crack the engine block or cylinder head or warp them enough to cause problems. Then you get an engine that exhibits the issues you have. You drive the car and the compression and combustion pressures are high enough that coolant does not get into the cylinder. Then when you shut it off the cooling system is still hot and under pressure, and you get some coolant into the cylinder. When you restart the engine that coolant will short out the plug(s) until it is dried out by the fuel/air mix. If the cylinder does clear out it "runs fine" if not you get the poor running as it does not fire. Then the warm engine from running dries out most of the coolant and it runs again.

The first steps would be to do a pressure test of the cooling system and a combustion gas test to see if it is pushing it into the cooling system. Those should give some direction.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/radiator-pressure-test

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/head-gasket-blown-test

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Friday, August 10th, 2018 AT 2:59 PM
Tiny
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I had the same thought regarding the coolant and I asked him about it before. He said if it is poured into the radiator it should not damage the engine, even if the engine is hot. Is this true?
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Friday, August 10th, 2018 AT 3:27 PM
Tiny
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If the engine is hot it can easily damage it. If it was gurgling and generating steam it was hot enough to do damage. That is due to the uneven cooling and heat stresses placed on the metals as they rapidly cool.
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Friday, August 10th, 2018 AT 7:37 PM
Tiny
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Okay, one more question. Why does the engine start and run fine once cool? Would the coolant not still be in the cylinder and cause the same shorting?
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Friday, August 10th, 2018 AT 7:57 PM
Tiny
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When you shut it off with the engine hot, the coolant seeps in but the cylinder is still hot as well so the coolant that enters is evaporated away enough that it runs.
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Saturday, August 11th, 2018 AT 6:27 AM

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