How to evaluate if the rust is going to cause problems in the future & how fast when buying used cars.

Tiny
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I'm shopping for used cars in PA around $3000. Feels like every car has rust, but idk how to evaluate if the rust is going to cause problems in the future & how fast. I'm pretty much only concerned with identifying what rust will & won't pass PA vehicle inspection. And then comparing that to the old used cars I'm thinking of buying to see if a car will or will not pass PA vehicle inspection. And if it will pass PA inspection, how long will it be before the rust grows enough that it doesn't pass?

I know there's a lot of variables, but PLEASE hear me when I say this.
*I'm not looking for an exact answer; I'm looking to learn & improve my intuition when evaluating rust. Right now I'm clueless & couldn't even begin to estimate how many days, months, or years it would take for any specific rust spot to become an issue, regardless of circumstance.*

I tried to Google for awhile, but Google is only ever as good as your ability to formulate the right question.
Wednesday, June 14th, 2023 AT 5:55 AM

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Tiny
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When evaluating rust on a used car, it's important to keep in mind that rust can vary in severity and progression rate depending on several factors such as climate.
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Wednesday, June 14th, 2023 AT 11:30 AM
Tiny
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See the text in the following image for context. Also, it won't let me delete images from my response so there are 3 right now but the one with the clearer text is the one to look at.

If the car remained parked in the lot. I know that this rust spot could not double in size in 1 day. Same for 2 days. And 3 days, it just won't double in size that quickly. But what about 4 days or 10 days or 30 days or 60 days? Is it even possible to double in size in only 30 days or 60 days? Assuming it grows at above average speeds, in a moist climate like PA, if it isn't driven at all and just remains in the lot. What would be the absolute shortest amount of time needed for the rust spot to double in size?
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Wednesday, June 14th, 2023 AT 7:20 PM
Tiny
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But typically, in PA, if my car has a 2 square inch stage 2 rust spot on the bottom of the frame where the metal beneath the corroded area is still relatively sound and if I leave my car outside all year, but only drive it exactly 400 miles in that year and if no rust proofing is done and the car is left as is; how long might it take for that rust spot to become relatively unsound? Unsound as in, I would need to take action to weld in a fix to pass PA inspection.
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Friday, June 23rd, 2023 AT 3:44 AM
Tiny
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Hi:

I live in western PA near Pittsburgh. I do have both my emission and safety inspection licenses. Here is the thing. You are not allowed to have any rust holes where it can enter the passenger compartment, so in this case, it already needs to be repaired for a state safety inspection.

As far as the amount of time it needs to get to a point where it becomes structurally unsound is very difficult to say. There are many variables that cause rust to happen quickly. One variable is allowing the vehicle to sit undriven. When that happens, the vehicle undercarriage never really has any airflow and stays damp. Additionally, any time you park a vehicle on a dirt or gravel driveway, which allows moisture to come out of the ground and attack the undercarriage. The worst thing would be to park it over the grass and not move it.

So, the idea of how long it will take is tough. If you just let it sit the way it is presently, you will see little change over the period of a year, but it will change. Don't laugh but if you don't mind doing it, spray used motor oil on the rusted area and up inside the rocker and then drive it on a dusty road. The dust will stick to the oil keeping it in place. That will slow the rusting process. Additionally, there is a product called Fluid Film that is excellent at preventing and slowing rust. It comes in an aerosol can similar to a paint can. You could check the area and spray that on it to help slow the rusting process also. You can get it on Amazon or at most parts stores.

All in all, it is difficult to provide a specific time period simply because there are so many different variables. Although I don't feel the vehicle is structurally compromised at this point, it would still fail state safety due to the possibility of exhaust fumes entering the vehicle. To pass, the hole needs to be covered and sealed. Some people would just throw body filler in it and that is fine.

Also, please keep in mind, I can't see anything under the vehicle. For example, the tracking bar/control arm bolts behind the rocker to the subframe. That is very important to keep solid. If rusted there, then is will become a safety issue. (See pic below)

I hope this helps. If you have other questions, please let me know.

Take care,

Joe

See pic below.
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Friday, June 23rd, 2023 AT 7:50 PM

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