Gears difficult to get in

Tiny
JULE0612
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  • 1983 VOLKSWAGEN TRUCK
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When standing gears are difficult to get in place, when running they go into gear just fine and also stay in gear. Could that be solved by bleeding the clutch? Replacing fluid? I'm just getting to know the running's of my car and therefore I am a complete beginner but I'm quite handy and learn fast. Is there any tips so I could solve the issue myself?

It is a Volkswagen LT 35 1983

Thanks
Wednesday, April 17th, 2019 AT 2:02 AM

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Tiny
KASEKENNY
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Hi Jule0612,

Replacing the fluid and bleeding the clutch could help and may be worth a try if it has not been changed in a while. However, what you describe in a manual shift transmission is usually the synchronizers inside the transmission are worn out.

Do they grind at all when shifting in motion? The reason I ask is the other possible cause is the clutch itself being worn out and not fully disengaging when depressing the clutch. Here are some articles that can explain it better than I can.

Review this material and let me know what you think. As I stated, bleeding the clutch and changing the fluid can't hurt but I wouldn't hold out hope that this is the root cause.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/clutch-doesnt-work-sometimes-or-not-at-all

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/clutch-symptoms
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Wednesday, April 17th, 2019 AT 5:28 PM
Tiny
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Hey Kenny, thanks a million for your reply. They don't grind, it's pretty much noiseless but really tough to get into first gear while standing. I checked out the articles, by the way thanks for attaching them, none of the scenarios really seem to apply, the only thing that could apply is the pilot bearing lock up, but then is that usually accompanied with the grinding noise?

Br,
Julia
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Thursday, April 18th, 2019 AT 5:30 AM
Tiny
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Okay. It is hard to get into first while sitting still. Try putting it into other gears sitting still. Obviously you don’t need to move the vehicle in other gears just see if when the clutch is depressed if it is hard to get in all gears or just first? Also try reverse.

This will help us determine if it is the clutch or just the synchro in first gear. I suspect it is just the synchro because of the fact that it drives fine in other gears. If it were the clutch then it would be all gears at any speed and most likely they would grind.
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Thursday, April 18th, 2019 AT 5:54 AM
Tiny
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The first seems pretty impossible to get in while standing most times (although twice today it went just fine), second is tough but gets in, third, fourth and reverse are fine. While driving or even rolling the gears go in smoothly always, hope this information helps.
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Thursday, April 18th, 2019 AT 12:22 PM
Tiny
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Okay. I am pretty confident that this is a synchro issue.

Here is a video that illustrates this better than I can explain it. Link at the bottom of this post. Feel free to fast forward to the 3:30 minute mark as this is where they talk about the synchro ring.

Basically, this ring begins to wear out and as you press the shifter into first gear the ring does not do as good of a job of lining those gear teeth up and requires you to put more and more pressure on it in order to get it in. While you are moving the vehicle it relieves the pressure a little on this ring which is why it is easy to get in while you are in motion. First and second share the sleeve that goes over the ring and are the two gears that get the most use which is why they are harder. The gears and synchro rings and sleeves on the other gears, including reverse are not as worn which is why they are not affected.

I would suggest to deal with it as long as you can and then have the transmission rebuilt. You are not going to do any more damage to them but they will get harder and harder until they don't go into gear anymore. So clearly don't wait to long but the idea would be that when they go into the transmission to fix this, they would put a new clutch assembly in as well because there is no additional labor. With this being the idea, you want to get as much use out of this clutch as possible.

However, if you decide to just have it done now, they can inspect the clutch and replace as needed. Hopefully this helps.

https://youtu.be/wCu9W9xNwtI
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Thursday, April 18th, 2019 AT 2:40 PM

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