Excessive oil use and gas pedal issue?

Tiny
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Seem to be always adding oil. Things I've done:Changed out int/exh oil vari control valve. Then last weekend I changed oil, filter and Oil Pressure Switch. After that I got this new sound (bear with me, I'm a girl) that sounds like air escaping? Hear it when I press on gas pedal, but as soon as I take foot off gas, sound stops immediately. Car is sometimes slow picking up speed. Lost on the new sound and what changing oil, filter and press switch would cause it and how that connects to gas pedal.

Any help is greatly appreciated.

Diane
Wednesday, April 26th, 2023 AT 4:17 AM

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Tiny
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The oil consumption and gas pedal sounds don't seem like they are related. Can you please shoot a quick video with your phone so I can hear the noise? That way I can tell for sure what's going on. You can upload it here with your response. It seems like a vacuum leak to me and if so, please follow this guide when the engine is cold only. Do not spray the exhaust manifold:

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-use-an-engine-vacuum-gauge

The fluid is flammable so be careful. As far as the oil consumption I would check replace the PCV valve. Check out the images (below). Please let us know what happens.
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Thursday, April 27th, 2023 AT 2:30 PM
Tiny
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Four tries to upload vid, (not your system, my phone was the issue) Not sure if vid posted over weekend, so reposting.

Changed out PCV as you recommended. Better acceleration. Will need to monitor oil to see if there's a change in consumption.

**I moved phone fwd when sound started and moved it back when it stopped to hopefully pinpoint sound for you. **

Sound starts when accelerating and stops as soon as foot off gas. If you take your foot off slowly, the sound fades slowly. Driving with the window down can hear it real loud. Could it possibly be a belt?
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Tuesday, May 2nd, 2023 AT 4:28 AM
Tiny
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Thanks for the video. I have never heard that noise before, I will send this out to my other techs to see what they say. Please stand by.
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Tuesday, May 2nd, 2023 AT 12:54 PM
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You say it has been using oil and now it seems slow to accelerate and you are hearing a hissing sound. I would check for an exhaust restriction. Looking at the way the exhaust is built and how the converters are laid out I suspect that the second section of the converter or the center muffler is partly plugged up from the oil use. That car uses a 2-stage converter with the O2 sensor between them and you can have the rear of the unit partly plugged or even gone and it won't set a code, but it can build pressure. I would go for a drive and remember how it acts. Now let it cool off and remove the rear O2 sensor. Now try driving it, if it's better you are on the right track.
https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-test-a-catalytic-converter
Generally, I do a back pressure test at the O2 sensors by using a simple old style fuel pressure gauge and a spark plug to hose adapter. You screw the adapter into the O2 bung and start the engine, now put the pressure gauge onto the adapter, ideally you will see zero pressure or better a slight vacuum, in practice you may see a very low pressure (under that barely moves the needle. If, however, you see more than about 2 psi at idle you have a restricted exhaust. If you step on the gas while measuring the pressure and it goes above 3-4 psi at high rpm, you still have a restriction, just not as bad.
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Tuesday, May 2nd, 2023 AT 2:20 PM
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Interesting case, that noise has a metallic sound to it, like a bearing. Can you open the hood and rev the engine in Park and still hear the noise? Definitely sounds like a loaded bearing noise to me. If you can hear it with the hood open, and just raise the rpm in Park, I would remove the belt and see if the noise disappears, without the AC on its either the Alternator bearing or the Water Pump. If the noise is still present with the belt removed, then I would suspect a camshaft bearing.
I had a bad cam bearing once that sounded exactly like that, almost a belt noise, but it was in fact a camshaft bearing.
The belt on this vehicle has really tight tolerances. Never seen a belt with so many measurements involved.
As for the oil issue, if there are no apparent oil leaks, there is a very long Technical Service Bulletin on excessive oil consumption. If it's more than 1qt in 1,000 miles, it is considered very excessive and there is a very extensive cleaning process, or engine replacement. It looks to be an in cylinder issue with the oil consumption, Piston rings, Valve Stem seals. The TSB (pgs 10, 11) is a very long TSB about each step taken depending on the test results out of a 3-step testing process. But it looks to be a dealership issue that the manufacturer is aware of for such a long TSB on oil issues. The bearing noise and oil issue might be related in this case, The last pg below is the Oil specs.
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Tuesday, May 2nd, 2023 AT 5:53 PM
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I had something similar many years ago. Turned out to be a collapsed engine mount on the passenger side. A pulley was rubbing on the plastic splash shield attached to the frame rail, then when accelerating under load, the engine rocked and that pulley was rubbing on the metal strap that held the metal fuel line to the frame rail, I found it when I saw the shiny groove worn into that strap.
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Tuesday, May 2nd, 2023 AT 9:36 PM
Tiny
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Thanks! I check that along with catalytic converter.
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Wednesday, May 3rd, 2023 AT 11:33 AM
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I'm betting on a chunk of honeycomb partially clogging the exhaust system. My CJ-5 #4 developed a hiss when you goosed it. Power didn't suffer much, or I investigated it before I really noticed. When I separated the cat from the muffler, I'm guessing the chunk wedged in the beginning of my muffler left me about half of an open hole. The "vanes" were sort of oriented on about a 45 degree angle, so some exhaust was probably going through the chunk. When I have seen other cats coming apart, there has always been a bigtime loss in power and basically the vehicle was undrivable.

---CJ MEDEVAC
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Wednesday, May 3rd, 2023 AT 4:27 PM
Tiny
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Thank you. I'm looking for a replacement catalytic converter. The car is almost 10 years old so I'm just going to replace it. I've seen some online low for $100-$150. How do I know if it's something I can do or if I need a shop (welding)?
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Thursday, May 4th, 2023 AT 2:46 AM
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Please test it before you replace it. As you say the car is using oil and that is a bad thing and could poison the replacement part. Repairing or at least determining why it is using the oil is the first thing to do. Then replace the converter if it is required. Take a look at the TSB on oil usage and possibly talk to a dealer about it. https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2021/MC-10189272-0001.pdf
You may also want to look at
https://www.legalscoops.com/class-action-lawsuit-over-hyundai-and-kia-oil-consumption/
for some more reading on that engine and efforts to help owners of them.
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Thursday, May 4th, 2023 AT 8:49 AM
Tiny
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Thank you. I'm hearing a crackly sound so I'm pretty sure the honeycomb is broken. So, it's going to have to be replaced. But I have an appt next week at kia dealership for an upgrade for airbags. My engine is on the list in your attachments, so I'm going to talk to them about oil consumption defect in the engine and what they're willing to do about it since there's a Class Action about it.
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Thursday, May 4th, 2023 AT 2:48 PM
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With the issues you have maybe they will just hand you the keys to a new one as the repair.
Good luck and please let us know what happens. Thank you.
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Thursday, May 4th, 2023 AT 6:31 PM
Tiny
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Hey Steve. Can you check this for me? Found a Catalytic Converter for a great price. It says it fits my car, but "placement" says "rear" mine is under front seats. Got a pic of under my car too.

Thanks,
D.
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Saturday, May 6th, 2023 AT 12:34 PM
Tiny
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Maybe this one is a better fit? Confusing when they say "rear" as everything says I only have one and it's up front.

Thanks,
D.
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Saturday, May 6th, 2023 AT 12:36 PM
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The confusion is due to the government. There are two versions of your car's exhaust, one that meets the California emissions and the other that meets the federal standards. Because of
that they name the converters based on location on the vehicle so if you have the ones like many new cars they are mounted right on the engine and are "front" converters, then ones under the vehicle can be center, or rear depending on the mounting location. In your case there is only the one, but they still like to make it confusing.
So, one step you need to take is look at the emissions standards your car was built to, there is a sticker on the radiator support or close by and if it says California anywhere on that sticker it's a Cali car. Now that is important in a couple states. NY and CA both have laws that say that if it's a CA standards car you have to replace the part with one that is CARB legal. Other states you can do what you wish at the moment.
You will also see ones saying that you cut as required, that is because the OE is a welded assembly so you have to take the new part and cut the old one off so the new one can be installed. So, all of the ones you show should work as long as you are not under one of those states.
Attached is an image of the exhaust for your car so you can see the pieces.
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Saturday, May 6th, 2023 AT 5:14 PM
Tiny
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Thanks!
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Sunday, May 7th, 2023 AT 8:34 AM
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You're welcome.
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Sunday, May 7th, 2023 AT 9:17 AM

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