Ignition switch? The ignition switch is loose?

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RONNIE HONEYSUCKLE
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  • 2005 DODGE RAM
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The ignition switch is loose in the column and the key is hard to turn. And after I pull the key out the bell still rings and in the morning it's like my battery is dead. Is there something in the ignition switch that may not be turning the vehicle completely off?
Monday, February 25th, 2019 AT 12:22 AM

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Tiny
ASEMASTER6371
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Good morning,

It sounds like you need to change the key cylinder and the switch. There may be a short internally not turning off the alarm and that would cause the battery to go dead overnight.

Roy

Procedure

The tilt and standard column (4) have been designed to be serviced as an assembly; without wiring, switches, shrouds, steering wheel, etc. Most steering column components can be serviced without removing the steering column from the vehicle.

Safety goggles should be worn at all times when working on steering columns.

To service the steering wheel, switches or airbag, Refer to Restraints and follow all WARNINGS and CAUTIONS.

Warning: the airbag system is a sensitive, complex electro-mechanical unit. Before attempting to diagnose, remove or install the airbag system components you must first disconnect and isolate the battery negative (ground) cable. Then wait two minutes for the system capacitor to discharge. Failure to do so could result in accidental deployment of the airbag and possible personal injury. The fasteners, screws, and bolts, originally used for the airbag components, have special coatings and are specifically designed for the airbag system. They must never be replaced with any substitutes. Anytime a new fastener is needed, replace with the correct fasteners provided in the service package or fasteners listed in the parts books.

CAUTION: Do not hammer on steering column shaft. This may cause damage to the shaft or bearing.

CAUTION: Do not attempt to remove the pivot bolts to disassemble the tilting mechanism.

The ignition key must be in the key cylinder for cylinder removal. The key cylinder must be removed first before removing ignition switch.

1. Remove the negative (ground) cable from the battery.
2. Disable the airbag.
3. Remove the lower and upper shrouds.
4. Remove key cylinder.
5. Disconnect the lower clockspring connectors.
6. Remove the wire retainer from the tilt lever bracket

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7. Remove the tilt lever mounting screws to gain access to the ignition switch (1) mounting screws.

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8. For columns without tilt remove the bracket (2) to gain access to the ignition switch mounting screws (2).

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9. Disconnect the electrical connector at rear of ignition switch (1).
10. Remove ignition switch mounting screw (2).
11. Using a small screwdriver, push on locking tab and remove switch from steering column.
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Monday, February 25th, 2019 AT 1:54 AM
Tiny
GRANDMAMARTA
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I can't find a replacement part #, or information on how to remove and replace this part. Can you help me with this?
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Wednesday, June 23rd, 2021 AT 7:03 PM (Merged)
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I believe the part number is---

5018702AA

As far as directions check out the guides below. Check out the diagrams (Below). Please let us know what happens.
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Wednesday, June 23rd, 2021 AT 7:03 PM (Merged)
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FIRSTSPARTICLE
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Started with a broken key cup on the cylinder - I replaced it. Then when I tried to start with the new key cylinder, I turned it and got all the lights and radio to come on. Next, when I when and tried to turn the key to start the truck, I lost everything - So I bought a brand new starter lock interrupter at the steering column and replaced the old one. Still nothing -

I installed a new key lock cylinder and new starter lock interrupter and now I have lost all my dash lights, radio and my truck won't even turn over. I have checked all pins and connectors and all looks well. The key buzzes when the door opens with the key in the lock and I do have power to the heater fan when I turn the key on but nothing else works. I have checked the fuses by the drivers seat and under the hood on the drivers side fender and they all appear good. Is there any other fuse able links or maybe one that I am missing?
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Wednesday, June 23rd, 2021 AT 7:03 PM (Merged)
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CARADIODOC
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Sounds like the typical symptom of burned contacts inside the ignition switch. I have no idea what a "key cup" or "starter lock interrupter" are. Those sound like GM terms.

Another common problem, when the only symptom is it won't crank, is a cracked cam on the end of the lock cylinder. The dealer has an inexpensive repair kit for that.

Caradiodoc
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Wednesday, June 23rd, 2021 AT 7:03 PM (Merged)
Tiny
FIRSTSPARTICLE
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I did have a broken and cracked cam on the end of the lock cylinder.
I then replaced it and tried to start while the battery was still connected. And I lost everything.

I then bought and installed an new ignition switch.
The guages, radio, and turnsignals all worked but when I tried to start the engine, I lost everything.

I think that your answer was right by saying that it has the typical symptoms of of burned contacts inside the ignition switch.

I bought another ignition switch and now I have a buzzer when I open the drivers door with the key in the igniton and the heater fan blows when I turn the key on, but still nothing else happens.

I should have disconnected the battery first I suppose.

I will disconect the battery before installing "another" new ignition switch.

Thank you for your time and patience and I appreciate all your knowledge that you share with so many.

If and when I figure out my problems, I will remember your kindness.

Thank you again
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Wednesday, June 23rd, 2021 AT 7:03 PM (Merged)
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Before you spend more money on parts, do you have a test light? If so, check for voltage on the 12 gauge red wire. That circuit feeds the switch contacts that feed:

1) the starter circuit on the 18 gauge yellow wire.

2) the radio, signals, power outlet, and wipers on the 12 gauge black / white wire, (fuses 5-8).

3) automatic shutdown relay, fuel pump relay, cruise control switches, chime module or buzzer, overhead console, and message center, (fuses 9-12).

The blower fan is on a separate circuit and switch contact. The pink / black 12 gauge wire is the feed; the black / orange 12 gauge goes to the blower.

If there's no voltage on the red wire, check fuse # 3 under the hood. It's a 40 amp cartridge.

See how far you get with this info. I used a '94 truck manual. The switch is the same as on a '96, but the wire colors could be different. I'll be back later tonight.

Caradiodoc
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Wednesday, June 23rd, 2021 AT 7:03 PM (Merged)
Tiny
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When I checked the fuses all looked in good working condition, but when I followed your advice, I found out that there was no voltage on the red wire, so I rechecked fuse # 3 under the hood.
It was blown and I replaced the 40 amp cartridge fuse and my truck came back to life. Varoom.

Thank you again for your time, help and knowledge and I will reciprocate ASAP.
Not having my work truck running for these last four days with this stressed economy and with my construction work so slow, it has exhaused my megar funds. Which is why I had opted to do this repair myself istead of using my regular local mechanic. I suppose that I would have been better off just taking it in but I was worried about getting my truck out after the repairs were done and not being able to pay for it.

Me and my family thank you sir.

Humbly Yours,
Timothy Sullivan
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CUJO74
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How to take out old ignition lock cylinoid and install the new one. The one in there now I have to pull the key almost all the way out of the ignition after turning it once just to be able to start it. An it's getting worse. I have the part already now just need to know how to install step by step.
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Wednesday, June 23rd, 2021 AT 7:03 PM (Merged)
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There are screws to remove from the bottom of the trim covers on the steering column, then the upper and lower halves unsnap and can be removed. Look straight down from the normal driving position toward the cylinder and you'll see a small silver roll pin about 3/16" in diameter. Use a punch or small screwdriver to push that roll pin in. It will go in about 1/8" to 1/4". That will let the cylinder pop out. I can't remember for sure but I think you need to have the key inserted.

Once the cylinder is out, look at the cam on the end of it. Sometimes those crack. The symptom is everything works except it will not turn the ignition switch quite far enough to crank the engine. The dealer has a repair kit for that but you don't have to worry about that if you're installing a new cylinder.

Slide the new cylinder in, insert the key, then turn it to crank the engine. Turning it all the way will push the roll pin out to lock it in place.
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CHEVYCAMAROMAN86
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The parts store will sell me the switch but I cannot get the lock cylinder separated from the switch
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Wednesday, June 23rd, 2021 AT 7:03 PM (Merged)
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Removing lock cylinder
remove ignition switch
with key in switch and in lock position
depress lock cylinder retaining pin using a small screw driver
rotate to OFF position
lock should now be unseated from ignition switch
rotate cylinder counterclockwise to lock and remove key and remove lock cylinder


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Wednesday, June 23rd, 2021 AT 7:03 PM (Merged)
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VBNITRO2008
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How do you change a ignition lock cylinder?
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Wednesday, June 23rd, 2021 AT 7:04 PM (Merged)
Tiny
CYBER TECH
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If you have a tilt column unscrew the tilt lever and then remove the upper and lower covers around the top of the column.

Remove 3 tamperproof torx screws and remove ignition switch from column.

With key inserted and switch in the LOCK posiiton, depress lock cylinder retaining pin with a small screwdriver. Rotate cylinder to the OFF position and this will unseat the cylinder from the switch. Rotate back to LOCK position and remove key, then separate cylinder from switch.


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RYANROSS
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Basically my manual on repair for the truck says my ignition switch should be in the top of my steering column thing is it isnt and I dont know where it is and apparently my book is saying it for power wagon instead of power ram like I have I just need to know where it is located
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If it says power wagon, that is an old manual (pre 83). I learned to drive in a 78 power wagon. Dodge has come out with the PW package on the 2010 model year, but that is it.

As far as you switch, it should be located on the bottom of the steering column. If you have the trim off the steering column, there is a rod that runs from the tumbler to the switch. Follow that and it will lead you to the switch.

Let me know what you find.

Joe


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