Cylinder flooding

Tiny
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Sorry but this will be a long post as I will be putting as much detail as I can in here.

The problem started when I was warming up the car one day, after 5 mins or so the car started to feel like the RPM is dipping and a couple of minutes later the misfires started to happen.

Babied the car home and there was white/gray-ish smoke coming from my exhaust and smells like fuel not to mention my gas mileage is like 1 gallon/mile, luckily I was only like about a mile or so away from home. Pulled the codes and misfire on cylinder 6, and multiple cylinder code came up w/ pending codes for misfires in cylinder 4 and 5.

Thinking it was coil pack since it was still the ones from factory, I changed them. The plugs looked great on cylinder 1 thru 3, cylinder 4 was burning a bit rich, and cylinder 6 was burning really rich while cylinder 5 was okay as well.

The next day I started the car and the same thing happened, first 5 mins it was fine then it started misfiring again, I asked around the forums for my car and they said it may be the pre-cat o2 sensor since it only happens on one bank which is bank 2 and only when the car gets up to temperature.


Switched that, tried starting the car and noticed my battery was low, let it charged for a bit tried starting it and it cranked twice and stopped thinking its still low in battery I let it charge for longer and tried starting it, cranked 3 times then a pop came up and now my starter is just spinning.


Fast forward, in the process of replacing my starter, I noticed that cylinder 6 throttle body was full of fuel! Checked inside the cylinder and there was none, it was just in the throttle body, so I tried to remove as much fuel as I can, did my starter replacement along and did the "De-flood" procedures to get rid of the remaining fuel in the throttle body that I can't remove.


After putting the car back together and started it, the car started misfiring right off the bat, I've read that it may do so in the first few minutes after a de-flood I let it idle for a couple of minutes but it never went away, the smell of fuel is up and the exhaust is putting out the white/gray-ish smoke and wet w/ fuel.

I stopped the car, removed the plugs and inspected them, cylinder 1-4 are perfect, cylinder 5 this time is wet! And smells like fuel and cylinder 6 is burning rich (black powdery stuff is on it but easily wiped off).

Now cylinder 5 is "flooding" checked the throttle body on it and there was fuel in it, checked inside the cylinder and its relatively dry there, did the de-flood process again. And tried again, the same results came up and its cylinder 5 that is flooding this time.


I figured maybe the injectors is bad? So I removed them and the injector on cylinder 5 is stuck open upon testing w/ my injector adapter to the spray cleaner, I didn't apply power thru it and the spray cleaner just sprayed thru the injector w/ even powering it up. Other injectors didn't do this.


So I sent the injectors to get worked on and tested and they came back w/ the results, the before test results was terrible, w/ only one injector at"fair" status. The rest was either poor pattern or poor pattern w/ dripping faults and not putting out enough fuel, after their job is done they are back to brand new status.


I received them and put them back to the car and tried starting the car again, the same thing is happening still, but this time it went back to Cylinder 6 instead of 5. Checked spark plugs and cylinder 1-5 plugs looked great. Cylinder 6 was wet w/ fuel. Checked the throttle body on it and it is full of fuel.


Now it got me thinking, maybe there's a burn thru on cylinder 5 and 6 on head gasket and thus affecting the compression on the two cylinder.

Checked the compression although it is a cold engine compression check so I can't achieve the highest compression the cylinder could have but the results was consistent and surprisingly close to what the recommended compression on the s54 engine which is 160-172psi. I got 150-155 across the cylinders w/ cylinder 6 getting 155psi on a cold engine compression test.



Now I am clueless, what else could cause the flooding on this. Any advice on what else I can check? Thank you!
Friday, July 5th, 2019 AT 7:12 PM

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Tiny
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Welcome to 2CarPros.

Do me a favor. Switch number 6 injector (which is the cylinder that is presently missing) with number 1 injector and see if the misfire changes cylinders. Also, have you checked the fuel pressure regulator?

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-check-fuel-system-pressure-and-regulator

Let me know the results.

Joe
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Friday, July 5th, 2019 AT 7:32 PM
Tiny
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I actually have fuel pump, filter and regulator in hand waiting to be installed, was going to do it after I figure whats wrong with the car right now. But will change them out as well and try swapping out cylinder 6 and 1 injectors around.

Let's say the problem stays in cylinder 6, could this mean wiring harness problem of some sort or DME problem?
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Friday, July 5th, 2019 AT 7:46 PM
Tiny
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Welcome back:

It could be either. We know the DME controls all aspects of proper engine operation, but that doesn't mean it isn't a wiring issue.

I have a strange feeling that the problem is going to change cylinders. Something is telling me the injector (rebuilt or not) is bad. Also, I would suggest confirming there isn't a fuel pressure issue (too high).

Let me know what happens.

Take care,
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Friday, July 5th, 2019 AT 8:59 PM
Tiny
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I replaced Injector #6 and started it up today, no misfire now. But as the car warmed up there was more and more gray-ish smoke that is coming from the exhaust.

I smelled it and it smelled just like any exhaust smoke and smell of something burning but I can't quite describe. Doesn't smell sweet as that would indicate head gasket but at this point I never know LOL.

As I drive it from the auto hobby shop down to my apartment there are times where I can see a lot of smoke from my exhaust, not thick but just enough to be noticeable. And as I get to my parking spot it was just constant smoke, not a lot, but enough, tried revving the engine to see if a thick smoke comes out, its not a thick smoke, not that much but again just constant smoke white/gray-ish smoke.

Could this be just fuel stuck in my exhaust pipes? Since I've tried so many times to deflood the car and I wouldn't be surprised that there's significant amount of fuel in my pipes.

But so far as I was driving, the car feels normal. I don't hear anything unusual or feel unusual. It revs pretty good as well. So now the white/gray-ish smoke is what I am concerned about now.

I checked my plugs as well after I got to my apartment parking lot and they all looked great! None were burning rich or lean just the way they are supposed to be.
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Sunday, July 14th, 2019 AT 4:55 PM
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Welcome to 2CarPros.

If you see smoke from the exhaust, I question if the catalytic converter was damaged as a result of the original issue. Is that the only place you see smoke? Also, have you replaced the fuel pressure regulator? Gray smoke usually indicates a rich mixture. Do you have access to a live data scanner?

Let me know.

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Sunday, July 14th, 2019 AT 8:03 PM
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I got Torque Pro app, my laptop that has INPA is with a buddy of mine right now.

I took screenshot of some values on torque app that I think pertains to fuel mixture.

LTFT1: 0.8%
LTFT2:-0.08

Then my o2 sensor values are changing from.2v to.8v
F/T 1x1: 12.5%
F/T 2x1: 10.9%
Fuel flow 45.3cc/min
Vol. Eff. : 24%

And no I wasn't able to replace my fuel pressure regulator, the jack that I got wasn't getting the car high enough for me to get it to a higher jack stand set-up for me to work it.

I pulled the spark plugs after parking it and they all came out normal, none was indicating burning rich (which I believe black powdery residue on plugs if its burning rich.)
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Sunday, July 14th, 2019 AT 11:01 PM
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Started the car back up again today and let it idle for 30 minutes, the smoke has subsided to almost normal levels. And I forgot to mention that I am running catalytic converter-less right.

Code P0175 System Bank 2 too rich came up after around 30 minutes, Pre-cat o2 sensor on bank 2 is brand new although there is a small chance that its bad I highly doubt it. I checked within torque app the values I am getting on that pre-cat bank 2 o2 sensor and it was jumping around.2v to.8v which I believe is normal since every other o2 sensors was doing the same exact thing.

Makes me think that maybe Injector 5 is still bad since 5 and 6 was the ones having this issue and when I replaced injector 6 the misfire disappears, I am guessing cylinder 5 is maybe sticking open or something even tho it was rebuilt just like cylinder 6 injector that was rebuilt as well but it gets stuck open when power is applied, almost like its grounded inside for some reason.
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Monday, July 15th, 2019 AT 5:00 PM
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Welcome back:

There is no catalytic converter right and there is on the left?

Let me know.

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Monday, July 15th, 2019 AT 7:44 PM
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It is completely catless at the moment. Although I am going to put cats soon.

What else could cause P0175 besides pre-cat o2 sensor for my car that seems to be the most common cause but that sensor is brand new basically. Faulty/leaky injectors and anything else?
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Monday, July 15th, 2019 AT 8:29 PM
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Welcome back:

Basically, that code is indicating that the fuel trims have exceeded trim limits. I have to be honest, if there are no converters on the vehicle, the computer doesn't know what to do with the fuel mixture. That could be the entire issue.
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Monday, July 15th, 2019 AT 9:35 PM
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The rear o2 sensors are coded so that the efficiency codes won't pop out. The pre-cat handles the fuel trim if I remember correctly while the rear o2 sensors are just to see if the cat is working fine and the rear o2 sensors are coded out as I said.

Pre-cat o2 sensors should function as normal even without cats. I've been running without cats for about a year now haven't really gotten this code before until now after the previous problem.
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Monday, July 15th, 2019 AT 9:56 PM
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Welcome back:

I read back through several of the posts. The sensor values are fine. They will jump around between.1 and.9v. They should steady around 4.5v.

Now I am confused. The code indicates a rich mixture, but here are your fuel trims:

Then my o2 sensor values are changing from.2v to.8v
F/T 1x1: 12.5%
F/T 2x1: 10.9%

The trims are showing the computer is adding fuel to compensate for a lean mixture.

Help me out with this. Am I reading something wrong?

Joe
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Tuesday, July 16th, 2019 AT 7:58 PM
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Nothing was wrong, the value when I took the screenshot during the live data was that. It was changing every now and then. The gray-ish smoke in the muffler does indicate rich mixture as was said above. And the code is P0175 (System bank 2 too rich).

I will try to remove my intake plenum all over again and re-install it. Clean my idle control valve as well and see what happens.

Other than the more than normal white/gray-ish smoke everything feels normal. Coolant was the same level when I checked earlier. Haven't pulled plugs since the code came out tho. I will try that tomorrow when I do remove the intake as well.
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Tuesday, July 16th, 2019 AT 8:23 PM
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Welcome back:

What are the fuel trims showing now? Do they indicate a rich mixture? I'm sorry I have so many questions. If I was there, I wouldn't be questioning everything. The snapshot says the comp was trying to make fuel mixture richer. That contradicts the code. Is it still the same?

Also, why do you feel the IAC or the intake would be causing a rich mixture to only 1 bank? I would think if there was a problem, it would affect both banks.

Let me know, and again, sorry for all the questions. If I was sitting next to you, I most likely would have a better handle on what is happening.

Joe
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Tuesday, July 16th, 2019 AT 8:40 PM
Tiny
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Yes, I thought so too but some people in the forums specific for my car said sometimes it may be the intake boot that connects the intake plenum to the throttle body that has the leak and maybe one of the bank 2 cylinders is loose or not on properly and thus causing a vacuum leak. I'll try later today and turn it on and monitor the F/T values maybe do a screen recording to see from what values do they play around.
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Wednesday, July 17th, 2019 AT 5:03 AM
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Welcome back:

I understand. But a vacuum leak will cause a lean mixture and the code is for a rich mixture. That is what is confusing me. Interestingly, the trims show the computer trying to make the mixture richer to compensate for a lean mixture. That would make sense if there is a leak.

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Wednesday, July 17th, 2019 AT 6:14 PM
Tiny
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Just drove the car for about an hour now, first 20mins smoke is constant but thr amount is not alarming.

After 30mins or so smoke literally stopped. Parked it and. Check if it is smoking while idle like before and its not anymore. Is it possible that the ecu was trying to adjust with that one new injector? Coz when I tested the resistance of the injectors the ones I already had including the bad one was around 12.8 to 12.9. But the new one is 12.4 which is quite low compared to the old ones. But when I installed the new one to replace cylinder 6 the flooding stopped. And car started normal.

And as I have mentioned after 20mins code for p0175 came out. Cleared the code and thats when I drove the car today.
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Wednesday, July 17th, 2019 AT 6:49 PM
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Welcome back:

Yes, it is very possible. Has the code returned since you drove it today? If not, pay attention when you start it tomorrow to see if there is any more smoke.

Let me know,
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Wednesday, July 17th, 2019 AT 9:38 PM
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The code hasn't come back and this morning during first cold start the "smoke" was the normal condensation and the amount of smoke wasn't much either. After 10mins its pretty much gone. Seems like its fixed to me. Will keep monitoring it but the way it looks and drives it feels normal now.
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Thursday, July 18th, 2019 AT 12:19 PM
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That's great news. I'm glad to hear it.

Let me know if things change.

Take care,
Joe
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Thursday, July 18th, 2019 AT 6:35 PM

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