Cold start rough idle

Tiny
PACKERS27
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  • 2000 FORD F-150
  • 5.3L
  • V8
  • 4WD
  • AUTOMATIC
  • 200,000 MILES
Since we have had a cool down in temperature, due to the hurricane (70° or so), on a cold start I get a really rough idle until the truck is warmed up. In the summer heat, I do not have any problems on cold starts but the colder it is, the worse the idle seems on starts. I do not have any codes on the scanner. I would just like to know what are some things that can cause this? I have replaced the IAC already. No help from that. I have also pulled the vacuum line off of the EGR, could not tell a difference in sound or idle. I would just like a list of things to start with and let me have at it. Thanks
Monday, September 24th, 2018 AT 7:55 PM

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Tiny
JACOBANDNICKOLAS
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Hi and thanks for using 2CarPros.com.

Since the rough idle seems to be related to temperature change and there is no check engine light on, my first suspect is the engine coolant temperature sensor (ECT). There is a designated temp sensor for the computer only. Its function is to let the computer know the coolant temperature. Based on what the sensor tells the computer, air and fuel mixture is determined. Now, if the sensor is telling the computer it is 90 degrees F and in reality it is 60, the fuel mixture will be too lean and cause a driveability issue.

What I suggest is this. If you have access to a live data scanner, connect it when the engine is cold. Review the live data and determine if the ECT is accurate in the information it is providing. For example, it is 60 degrees outside. The sensor should indicate approximately 60 degrees + or - a couple degrees. If it is way off, replace the sensor.

If you determine the sensor is bad, it is simple to replace. Here are the directions. The attached picture shows where it is located.

Engine Coolant temperature (ETC) Sensor - 4.6L and 5.4L

REMOVAL and INSTALLATION

1. Remove the Engine Coolant Temperature (ECT) sensor.
1 Disconnect the electrical connector.
2 Remove the ECT sensor.

To install, reverse the removal procedure.

Also, an engine vacuum leak can cause a rough idle. Here is a link that shows how to check for leaks. Try this too if the sensor is good.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-use-an-engine-vacuum-gauge

Let me know if this helps or if you have other questions.

Take care,
Joe
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Tuesday, September 25th, 2018 AT 6:39 PM
Tiny
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Great information for the vacuum leaks and throttle bore gasket. If it was a ECT, would it not give me a code? Also, you said that the PCMR has its own ECT? So is there two of them?
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Tuesday, September 25th, 2018 AT 9:33 PM
Tiny
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Hi:
Actually, most times there is no code. It is because the sensor is still sending a signal, but it may be the wrong signal information. As a result, the computer thinks it is working fine.

Yes, the coolant temperature sensor for the computer is different than the one for the gauge.
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Wednesday, September 26th, 2018 AT 5:26 PM

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