Alarm light on?

Tiny
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  • 2003 CHRYSLER TOWN AND COUNTRY
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Hi, the alarm light is turning on (and keeping on) always that the engine is runing. To be honest, I know that it is the alarm light just because the manual says so (I haven't used the alarm), but the manual doesn't mention a permanent on status.
What does it means? It is red then it shouldn't be any good news but how bad are they?
Sunday, November 15th, 2009 AT 5:07 PM

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Tiny
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This alarm light is indicating a fault in your system. Normally is illuminates when set after you leave your vehicle. Now it sees a mismatch between what it normally thinks is the "password" in your key.

Eventually the anti theft system will not recognize your key, then the van will only start for 2 seconds then shut off, thinking that it is being stolen.

This guide can help

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-reset-a-security-system

This is a problem that will have to be addressed by a shop with the correct automotive scanner that can read the values your system is seeing to determine the where fault lies.

Good Luck,
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Monday, November 16th, 2009 AT 9:41 AM
Tiny
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My 2003 Chrysler town and country vehicle theft alarm light stays on while the engine is running or the ignition is in the on position.
The van seems to run fine.
What is wrong? Will this vehicle theft system cause my van to stop running?
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Saturday, December 12th, 2020 AT 9:19 AM (Merged)
Tiny
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First, please understand there are several sensors that could cause the light to come on. If the light is staying, there is a strong possibility that the security system will eventually not allow the engine to restart for you. It is designed to shut down the ignition so the vehicle can't be stolen. I hate to say it but you need to have the system scanned to identify where the problem is coming from. For me to say what the problem is without scanning the system would be nothing more than a guess. To take it one step further, (and I hate to say it), it needs to be scanned by a dealer. They are the only ones that have the proper test equipment for your vehicle.
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Saturday, December 12th, 2020 AT 9:19 AM (Merged)
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Engine does not turn over. When sentry is activated it blinks for 15 min. As specified in manual but ounce you try the key start the security light stays on and car will not start.
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Saturday, December 12th, 2020 AT 9:19 AM (Merged)
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Hi lewwms,

Here is a description of the operations and from the symptom description, an error has been detected in the system and appropriate scan tools would be required to perform diagnostics.

OPERATION
The Mechanical Instrument Cluster (MIC) performs a four second bulb check via PCI communication with the Sentry Key Immobilizer Module (SKIM). After the bulb check, the lamp is controlled according to SKIM messages. Then, the SKIM sends messages to the BCM to operate the light based upon the results of the SKIS self tests. The light may be actuated in two possible ways, flashing or on solid. If the light comes on and stays on solid after a power-up test, this indicates that the SKIM has detected a system malfunction. If the SKIM detects an invalid key when the ignition switch is moved to the ON position, it sends a message on the PCI bus to the BCM, to flash the light. The SKIM can also send a message to flash the light and generate a single audible chime at the same time. These two events occurring simultaneously indicate that the SKIS has been placed into the "Customer Learn" mode. Refer to STANDARD PROCEDURE - TRANSPONDER PROGRAMMING for more information on the "Customer Learn" mode. If the light comes on and stays on after the power-up test, diagnosis of the SKIS should be performed using a DRBIII(R) scan tool and the appropriate Body Diagnostic Procedures. The light
is not a serviceable component.
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Saturday, December 12th, 2020 AT 9:19 AM (Merged)
Tiny
LEWWMS
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What is the (skis )and where is it located I was told once that if the security light stayed on the vehicle would not start.

When I ohms test on the starter relay pins in the fuse box it was no grounded at pin 85. Should it be? After wiggling the ground bat. Cable the security light blinks as suppose(15)and goes off, but ounce the key is turn to the start position the light come on and stays. And when engaging the sec. System again from door locks or command mod. The door locks horn sound but the sec. Comes on and stay. But ounce remove the bat ground cable and wiggle it it works as spec as describe above that is until I turn the key to the start position.

When we say system malfunction being detected by the skim, dose this mean that there is another component or sensor involve. In your earlier reply you mention a skis is this the same as the SKIM or a separate component?

Thank you for your patience
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Saturday, December 12th, 2020 AT 9:19 AM (Merged)
Tiny
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SKIS is the system name.

SENTRY KEY IMMOBILIZER SYSTEM
The Sentry Key Immobilizer System (SKIS) is available as a factory-installed option on this vehicle. It is designed to provide passive protection against unauthorized vehicle use by disabling the engine, after two (2) seconds of running, whenever an invalid key is used to start the vehicle. The SKIS is active whenever the ignition is on and does not require any customer intervention. The primary components of the system are the Sentry Key Immobilizer Module (SKIM), Sentry Key (ignition key with a transponder molded into the head), indicator light, Body Control Module (BCM), and the Powertrain Control Module (PCM). The SKIM is mounted to the steering column with the molded, integral antenna mounted on the ignition housing. The indicator light, is located in the Mechanical Instrument Cluster (MIC).
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Saturday, December 12th, 2020 AT 9:19 AM (Merged)
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J SCOTT TALBERT JD
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This is really good info.

Neither of my transponder keys work. It was turning on & then promptly turning off. But now it won't do that (maybe 'locked down'?).

ANYWAY, i've located the SKIM, but not sure what I can try next?

Nothing looks wrong. Not that i'd know what to look for.

Is there a way to test further?

Any way to attempt to reset the stupid thing?

It's so annoying to have an otherwise-working car than you can't use b/c of some dumb-ass electronic/computer crap.

Thx,
scott
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Saturday, December 12th, 2020 AT 9:19 AM (Merged)
Tiny
STEVE W.
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Your description of the light and neither key working sounds like there is a failure in the system parts. You say it was turning on and then off but not starting then stopped doing that? That is what happens after trying a few times, as you said it locks you out.
Te easiest way to test the system is to use a scan tool that can access the SKIM. It will have indicators to tell if it is the module or elsewhere. For instance it will tell you if it reads the key, passes the signal to the BCM, triggers the start relay or which one isn't working.
There isn't another easy method to test and replacing any parts will require the same level scan tool to program in the replacement parts that you could use to test with.
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