Check engine light on, all cylinders misfiring?

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  • 2015 FORD F-650
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  • 173,000 MILES
VIN #3FRNF6HP8FV625354 / 173,060 miles
12/11/22) P0300 code / multiple misfires at idle / test-drove with more misfires - history below
12/04/22 - 11/20/22 - 11/06/22 - 10/30/22 - 09/23/22) no codes
09/11/22) checked MAF sensor and pigtail - evap purge valve, pigtail and harness
09/18/22) checked fuel pressure at idle and road-test
08/28/22) replaced coil packs - no codes
06/11/22) replaced spark plugs & boots
04/24/22) replaced bank 1 valve cover and coil and spark plug - no codes
01/31/22) replaced cylinders #1 / 7 / 10 spark plugs - no codes
01/24/22) codes / cleared
Monday, December 12th, 2022 AT 3:52 PM

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STEVE W.
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P0300 codes are commonly from vacuum leaks or low fuel flow across multiple cylinders. At idle is the highest vacuum point and any leakage would be worse at that point. Take a look at the fuel trims at idle and then as you raise the rpms. If it's got a vacuum leak the fuel trims will rise at idle as it tries to compensate for the lean condition and then start dropping back toward normal numbers as the rpms increase and the vacuum drops off.
If it were due to a failing pump it would generally be worse at higher loads and speeds where it needs more fuel flow.
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Monday, December 12th, 2022 AT 11:36 PM
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I had that thought in mind and checked it thoroughly with carb spray Sunday and couldn't get a solid indication that was what it was, but I'll check again, hopefully today, since the truck is usually on route during the weeks. Thanks
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Tuesday, December 13th, 2022 AT 1:53 AM
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This is a follow up from December 12th question for the same truck; 2015 F650 / VIN #3FRNF6HP8FV625354 / 6.8L V10 / 173,912 miles. In that question I forgot to mention the tires were replaced a year ago and the tire shop put on 11R22.5 tires instead of the OEM 24775R22.5 tires. I put a smoke machine on the intake manifold and there were no leaks from anything, so I ruled out a vacuum leak. I've checked all electrical connections and plugs then replaced the cam position sensor on the passenger side head out of desperation then drove the truck; the code stayed cleared during the test-drive but it still was showing anywhere from 2/20/30 random misfires on most cylinders and the only way to increase road speed was to push down on the accelerator and drop it into lower gear then back off the pedal to bring it into overdrive. The tire size swap has thrown the speedometer reading off; checking the speedometer against a speed app (satellite) the speedometer will show 60 mph while the app is reading 78 MPH. Have a lot of labor time in this unit over the past year and the dealer is no help, only says bring the truck in and then it'll sit for months on end. Any suggestions / help greatly appreciated.
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Monday, January 2nd, 2023 AT 7:52 AM
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STEVE W.
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The tires are going to make that engine work harder so anything that could cause a misfire will be more noticeable. However, if they were changed that long ago and the misfires just started it's likely not from them. If you have access to a scope, you could look at the ignition waveform and see if it's a lean burn issue. You might see that in fuel trims if the ECU is adding fuel to cover for a leak it would show.
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Tuesday, January 3rd, 2023 AT 1:03 AM
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Unfortunately, I don't have access to a scope, which would definitely help. Out of desperation I swapped ECMs with its' sister truck (same year and engine) then test-drove but it didn't make a difference in performance, I've pretty much run out of options except to start replacing sensors and don't see the sense in that.
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Monday, January 16th, 2023 AT 11:29 AM
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STEVE W.
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What were the fuel pressures you were seeing? I would also check for fuel volume. That engine likes fuel and I've seen pumps that could produce the required pressure but when the engine was under load, they didn't pump enough fuel. Being this is at idle it likely isn't the issue. Another thing would be to check all the vacuum lines for leaks. It could be something like a bad brake booster or a bad vacuum canister.
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Monday, January 16th, 2023 AT 11:59 AM
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The fuel pressure at idle was 55-60 PSI and stayed pretty much the same on a road test but I never did a fuel volume test, do you have the specs for that?
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Monday, January 16th, 2023 AT 4:09 PM
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If it maintained that on the road test it should be okay, usually if they have lower volume, they won't hold pressure as the rpms go up. There is another test that might show a leak. See if it throws misfires if you go downhill and let off on the throttle. That will increase the vacuum and if it has a leak it should show up.
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Monday, January 16th, 2023 AT 6:35 PM

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