Steering wheel shaking and clunking noise when releasing the brakes

Tiny
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I had the upper control arms replaced maybe about two to three months ago. There was a clunking noise after letting my foot off of the brake after a stop and now I am hearing the same noise again when letting my foot off of the brake. I also replaced the tires a few days ago, to reduce vibration and the shaking of the steering wheel at highway speeds (fifty to sixty mph) but the shaking seems to have gotten worse. Steering wheel also shakes hard when braking to complete stop from highway speeds. Just curious to what area should I focus on repairing? Suspension? Brakes? Etc.
Wednesday, February 28th, 2018 AT 4:36 PM

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Tiny
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Good evening.

I would concentrate on suspension. There is something worn out or loose.

Was the work performed on the front or rear of your car?

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Wednesday, February 28th, 2018 AT 5:37 PM
Tiny
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Front, both upper control arms were replaced. The clunking noise is in the front. And four new tires were installed as well just a few days ago.
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Wednesday, February 28th, 2018 AT 5:42 PM
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Okay, thanks.

I would jack up the car and check for any play in the tire. Try grabbing it at 12 o'clock and 6 o'clock and see if there is any play. Look for loose or worn parts. Check the lower control arm bushings as well for play. That is a common place for causing the noises you heard.

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Wednesday, February 28th, 2018 AT 5:48 PM
Tiny
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Thanks for the advice Roy, much appreciated.
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Wednesday, February 28th, 2018 AT 5:51 PM
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Shaking during braking is caused by something that is rotating. By far the best suspect is a warped brake rotor. They can be machined to true them up as long as they will still be above the published legal minimum thickness when that machining is completed. If they will be too thin, they will have to be replaced. The good news is rotors today are not horribly expensive. The bad news is a lot of replacements come from China, and they will warp again in about three months. Not to worry though.

When we make parts out of cast iron, we set them aside for three months to "age" before they get their final machining. There is nothing wrong with the quality of Chinese rotors, but when they make them, they cast them, machine them, pack them, and ship them, then they age on your car. Minor warping is common, and one light machining will solve that. Most shops will do that light machining under their in-house warranty. The biggest problems come from crabby customers who insist on getting new rotors under warranty. The same thing will happen to those in three months so they will have the same problem.

Clunking when releasing the brakes when the vehicle is stopped is not something that is caused by worn control arm bushings. Worn bushings can cause a clunk when the brakes are applied while the car is in motion. It is very possible the control arms or bushings did need to be replaced, but I suspect the real cause of the clunk was disturbed while the car was jacked up and the suspension was hanging down. Other service procedures can also shift parts around enough to mask the cause of a noise for a while. The best approach is to have the steering and suspension systems inspected again at a tire and alignment shop, but be sure to describe the symptoms and observations as well as you did here. Too often we jump on the first obvious thing we find, and neglect to keep looking for other problems. In this case, a mechanic might assume all the problems will be solved by just machining the rotors. Warped rotors do not cause noise.

Rotors can warp in two ways. The easiest to understand is "thickness variation", but it is the least common. As the rotor spins, when the thicker section moves through the brake caliper, it pushes the piston back into the caliper's housing. That pushes brake fluid back up which pushes on the brake pedal. You would feel that type of warpage as the brake pedal pulses up and down when you push on it.

"Lateral run out" is more common. The friction surface is no longer perfectly parallel to the mounting surface. You will not feel that in the brake pedal unless it is really bad. You will not even feel it when it is relatively minor, which is quite common. When that type of warpage gets bad enough, it forces the caliper to slide left and right on its mount, once per wheel revolution. At higher speeds, the mass of that caliper getting thrown side to side will tug on the steering linkage and will be felt in the steering wheel. That also will not cause noise, however, if there are worn parts in the steering or suspension systems, those can cause noise from being shaken.
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Wednesday, February 28th, 2018 AT 5:54 PM
Tiny
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I thought it would be the rotors were bent or the rim was bent but took it back to the tire shop and they checked while we both inspected and could not find any thing out of the ordinary. He removed the front tires and checked the balance again. The shaking was medium before the tires were installed now it is even stronger and very hard when braking both at highway speeds. The clunking noise started once again yesterday as I was in traffic and I would let my foot off the brake after a complete stop. Thanks for your advice, very informative and appreciated.
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Wednesday, February 28th, 2018 AT 6:28 PM
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You are welcome.

Did he look closely at the lower arm bushings?

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Wednesday, February 28th, 2018 AT 6:31 PM
Tiny
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No he did not. He checked for a bent rim or bent rotor or if the balance was off. The clunking noise just started yesterday. So I have the steering shaking very hard at highway speeds, braking at these speeds and the clunking noise when letting off the brake from the complete stop. Going to my mechanic this weekend to see what he says.
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Wednesday, February 28th, 2018 AT 6:38 PM
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Sounds like a plan. Keep us updated.

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Wednesday, February 28th, 2018 AT 6:39 PM

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