Brakes continue to lock up?

Tiny
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  • 2004 CHEVROLET 2500
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My husband just bought a used truck less than 2 1/2 months ago, and has not been able to drive it, as his front brakes keep locking up to the point of catching fire. He has replaced the brakes and calipers twice, the wheel bearings and both wheel hubs, and all brake lines and a new booster, but they still lock up on him. He has pretty much replaced everything we could think of, and the mechanics can't seem to find what is causing it. There are no warning or brake lights going off. The only thing that hasn't been replaced is the sensors, which we were told had nothing to do the actual brakes themselves. He needs his truck for work, and is reduced to driving my Jeep leaving me without a vehicle. What haven't we checked or replaced? And is there anything else we can do to fix this problem? We would appreciate any help!
Wednesday, October 18th, 2023 AT 4:49 PM

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Tiny
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There's a couple of common things to start with. The first is the front rubber flex hoses, but the clue there is it almost always affects just one front brake, not both. The clue to finding this is when the locking is occurring, loosen the soft metal line nuts at the master cylinder to let the trapped brake fluid release. If that doesn't work, that's good news. Next, crawl underneath and open the bleeder screws on the calipers. That will let them release, but we still have to figure out where the pressurized brake fluid is being trapped.

If loosening the lines at the master cylinder does let the brakes release, there's two more common causes and one not so common. Tighten the lines, then drive the van to get the locking to occur again. Now loosen the two nuts that hold the master cylinder to the power booster. Pull the master cylinder forward about 1/8" to 1/4". If the brakes release now, the brake pedal is being held down a little. That is usually caused by a misadjusted brake light switch. You may get the brakes to release by pulling up hard on the brake pedal with your foot.

I saved the worst for last. That is brake fluid contaminated with a petroleum product. If that happened, it would definitely be a reason for the previous owner to sell the truck as that is a very expensive repair. The clue that is usually found is the rubber bladder seal on the reservoir cap is blown up and mushy, or feels slimy, and you won't be able to pop it back into place. The repair for that is to remove every part that has rubber parts that contact the brake fluid, including the new calipers, flush and dry the steel lines, then install all new rubber parts. That includes the calipers, rear wheel cylinders, rubber flex hoses, master cylinder, combination valve, and rear height-sensing proportioning valve. The combination valve has a number of rubber O-rings inside it. That is a brass assembly that sits under or near the master cylinder. Follow the two steel lines from the master cylinder to that valve.

The proportioning valve limits brake fluid flow to the rear wheels under heavy braking, to prevent rear-wheel-lockup. Because of the wide variation in loading, front to rear, in minivans and pickup trucks, most of them use a rear height-sensing proportioning valve by the rear axle instead of in the combination valve. That rear one must be replaced too as it has rubber O-rings inside it.

If the new master cylinder doesn't come with the reservoir, the old one must be flushed and dried. I would look for a used cap and seal at any salvage yard. The old cap can be reused, but not its rubber seal.

If the truck has anti-lock brakes, the hydraulic controller must be replaced because it has a number of rubber O-rings in it. Most of the time those vehicles will not have a separate combination valve.

If any rubber part is not replaced, the contamination will leach out of it and recontaminate all the other new parts. These contaminants include engine oil, transmission fluid, power steering fluid, axle grease, and penetrating oil.

Anti-lock brake hydraulic controllers are another common suspect that a lot of us jump on, but I've only read about that solving locking brakes two or three times over a number of years. We'll put that at the bottom of the list of suspects for now.

Let me know what you find, then we'll figure out where to go next.
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Wednesday, October 18th, 2023 AT 6:54 PM
Tiny
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For some reason, his brakes do not at all times, lock up. He can sometimes drive it to town without locking up, but coming back home, they will. He has already changed everything brake related, and when he pulled up the reservoir cap, there was no sign of oil or other contaminating substances. He has since replaced the sensors, but to no avail. They have replaced all seals in both front and back, all lines, new booster, new reservoir, and brakes and calipers as well as new hubs. When working, his brake is usually even with gas petal, but when it locks up, brakes will not release even with him pulling up on the petal. They (the mechanic) tried the fix you gave with the master cylinder, but they locked up on him on the way home, again. They drained all the fluids and could not find any evidence of contamination, nor air or water in any of the lines. So, we are back to square one.
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Thursday, October 19th, 2023 AT 2:20 PM
Tiny
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I get the impression you think I said to do something at the master cylinder, then drive it that way. That is not correct. Once the brakes are locking up, stop on a slight incline, shift to "neutral", place a block about a foot down-hill of one tire, then open the front hydraulic system at various places to see where the brake fluid is being trapped under pressure. The easiest and fastest place to do this is right at the master cylinder. Loosen the two steel lines just enough to let brake fluid spurt out. If the brakes release, the truck will coast down to the block by the tire. That block is supposed to prevent you from looking funny as you chase after the truck! Another alternative is simply to have a helper sitting in the driver's seat who can stop the truck from running away.

If doing that does not let the brakes release, the next easiest place is the ABS hydraulic controller assembly, when there is one. Follow the steel line back from the left front caliper to that assembly and loosen that line there. It's harder to figure out which line is for the right front. Just loosen all the line nuts a little to see if the brakes release. It's best to loosen a line, then retighten it right away. That lowers the chance of air sneaking in.

The most tedious is to loosen the bleeder screws at the front calipers. If only one front wheel is getting hot, that's the one to open the bleeder screw on. This is where roughly half of locking brakes will release, and a real common cause is a restricted rubber flex hose. This has happened to me multiple times on my older Dodge Caravans, especially after I let them sit over the winter. The fix on those is very easy. If you look at the photo below of your front brake hose, the arrows are pointing to two metal brackets crimped around the hose. This is the first time I've seen two of them on one hose, so you have twice the chance of this happening. Rust builds up inside those crimps, constricting the hose. You can easily force brake fluid through that restriction with normal pedal pressure, but the fluid won't release freely. It keeps that brake applied, then heat is generated. That heat migrates into the brake fluid causing it to expand and apply that brake even harder. When this gets bad enough, that wheel will cause a harsh thumping felt in the steering wheel, and that wheel will get very hot. With a hose constricted like this, the only place you can release the trapped pressurized brake fluid is at the bleeder screw on the caliper.

There are mechanical issues with the calipers that can also cause these symptoms, but you already have new calipers, so that shouldn't be part of this story.

Also, it sounds like they're going in too many different directions trying to solve this, and they're introducing too many variables to the point we won't know what the final solution is. This is the second time today I've seen a reference to new wheel bearing / hub assemblies in relation to overheated brakes. The wheel bearings have nothing to do with that. Draining the fluid is also not going to prove anything. Every year I did a demonstration for my students to show how critical it was to prevent contamination of brake fluid. I used two beakers filled half way with fresh, clean brake fluid. I dropped a rubber lip seal into each one from a wheel cylinder rebuild kit. In one of them, I added one drop of engine oil or power steering fluid, then we let them sit for one week. At the end of that week, the non-contaminated seal felt the same as a new one once washed off with water. The contaminated one had grown by about 20 percent, and was slimy and hard to hold onto. That rubber compound is not compatible with petroleum-based products. Brake fluid is a glycol product which is very different. Also, I had to mark the contaminated beaker because you can't see it visually. That's why draining the brake fluid to inspect it is not a valid observation.

This contamination is such a big deal, back in the '80s when it was common to rebuild wheel cylinders and calipers as part of a standard professional brake job, we even washed our hands with soap and water before handling the new rubber parts, to prevent getting fingerprint oil on them.

Back to those hoses, when they became constricted on my vehicles, I found all that was needed was to open up those crimps a little with a large flat-blade screwdriver, or a large pair of pliers. There was no need to remove a wheel, but I did have to lay on the ground to do that. Your metal brackets look rather beefy, so I don't know if bending them to open them up will be possible.

Don't go replacing a pile of random parts. That is the least effective and most costly way to solve this. Instead, just tell me where something in the hydraulic lines can be opened to let the brakes release.
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Thursday, October 19th, 2023 AT 3:13 PM

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