A/C recharge

Tiny
JUSTPYTHON
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  • 2002 JAGUAR X-TYPE
  • 3.0L
  • V6
  • 4WD
  • AUTOMATIC
  • 159,867 MILES
I went to recharge my A/C and when I was taking off the low side dust cap there was pressure coming out. After I let it slowly out and got the cap off I tried to tighten the valve but I couldn't get the tool to go over the needle far enough to engage the valve and turn it. I checked with the auto parts store I was at and they had replacement valves but if I can't get the tool down far enough to turn it how can I get it out? The A/C did work just not very cold. I didn't hear anything leaking until I tried the dust cap. So, I went ahead and recharged it with 12 ounces of 134 with leak detection dye just in case. After it was blowing at 34 degrees F. And all seemed well. I went out of town the next day and the hour and a half drive everything was fine. When I got off the freeway the A/C got warm and almost hot until I picked up speed again. I haven't seen or heard any leaks. How can I get the old valve out to put in a new one? I have tried to find how much my system holds online only to be sent to every site that wants to sell me every part possible but not tell me how much 134 I need or how much oil. The one site I found that came close was for Jaguars all but my X type. They mentioned every other X type but not my simple X type and only X type AWD. And yes there is a sticker under the hood but it can't be read. I even downloaded the service manual all 2000+ pages. It covers all X type but I can't find where it says how much 134 and oil to put in. I don't know if you guys have seen this little masterpiece but it doesn't read like any other manual I've ever seen before. There's about three hours of my life I'll never get back. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Wednesday, July 17th, 2019 AT 11:20 PM

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Tiny
STEVE W.
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Welcome to 2CarPros. A/C can be a fun thing to work on. From the service information your system holds 810 grams +- 15g. Or 28.5 oz of refrigerant. Plus 220 ml of PAG oil. However I doubt you have lost the full oil charge. As for the valves, the commonly used one looks just like a common tire valve, for those a long stem core tool will work to remove them. Then there are JRA valves, these are larger than the common tire valve types and use a different tool. Plus there are M8 and M10 high flow valves. The double ended tool in the image removes them all. Most parts stores will have a version of that tool on the shelf.

I would suggest recovering the refrigerant charge, then put the system under vacuum to check for other leaks not just at the valves. If it holds a good vacuum for an hour or so then replace both the high and low valves and recharge the system, add some dye to it as well to help with future issues. I like to also test with a pressure charge of nitrogen on vehicles that have mystery leaks, that is because you could have a leak that only shows under pressure and not a vacuum. It also wouldn't be a bad idea to replace the O-Rings while you have the system empty.
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Wednesday, July 17th, 2019 AT 11:54 PM
Tiny
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Thanks for getting back to me so fast, I'm impressed. I was at AutoZone at the time I did this and checked what they had as far as valves go. Their A/C rack had valves that were the typical Schrader valve but offered none that were bigger or any of the others you mentioned. I bought two different valve tools and they didn't help either and were no bigger or deeper than what I have used for the last 35 years. A valve stem with the cap that has the tool on the end of it. Yes, go ahead and laugh but it's been bulletproof for 35 years. I will do as you suggested with the vac test. I was just hoping I could get away with the quick and easy recharge. NOT. Lol. Thanks, Steve. I'll see if I can make a video while I do the test and see if I have any problems. You guys are the best.
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Thursday, July 18th, 2019 AT 1:36 AM
Tiny
STEVE W.
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Jaguar likes to do some things different. I don't laugh at things that work. Be sure to try turning the valve both ways, I have seen a few with left hand threaded valves.
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Thursday, July 18th, 2019 AT 9:16 AM

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