What should I set the timing at and should I leave the spout plug in or use it?

Tiny
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  • 1993 FORD F-150
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93 302, (stroked 347), b-cam, gt40 p upper from heads up, custom cold air, shorty headman headers, b cam is hydraulic roller with lifters and rockers, jet tuned ECM, 75mm tb, e4ld trans 2500 stall. Thanks, I know the process I've just been told a lot to set it at 20 and leave plug out. Sounds crazy to me due to the sheer programing that goes into it. But with it being stroked and having the GT40 heads upper and lower intake EGR removed would a different timing setting be applicable.
Thursday, February 16th, 2023 AT 8:48 AM

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Tiny
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Hello, the base timing for this engine is 10 degrees before top dead center (BTDC), you set the base timing with the SPOUT connector out and then reconnect it after you have the timing set, if you leave it out you won't get any timing advance at higher rpm like it's supposed to. I'll post the base timing instructions for you. The last diagram is the crankshaft pulley and the timing marks on it, with the spout unplugged set this to 10 BTDC, and then plug the spout back in, and you should see the engine computer advance the timing at higher rpms. It has been a long time since I've set any timing like this. Hope it runs great for you. Sounds like you did a lot of work on it.
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Thursday, February 16th, 2023 AT 8:57 AM
Tiny
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Even with the gt40p heads upper and lower intake tuned ECM. The biggest problem I have is the ECM tune, I do not know the programming on it. Is there a way to figure that out with the old school reader?
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Thursday, February 16th, 2023 AT 9:08 AM
Tiny
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Also, in the event it is lost will a jump wire suffice until the new one comes in?
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Thursday, February 16th, 2023 AT 9:09 AM
Tiny
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Yes, you can jump the spout connector, it's just closing that circuit, as for the tuned ECM, is this something you just bought already set up? Most tuner ECMs come with software that you can change the fuel mapping strategy; you can set it for more torque or change the injector pulse width. They usually come as a kit, well the ones I've looked at before. This is an OBD1 system, so you'll need an adapter for a scan tool, but below is a list of the data pids that should be available.
But maybe getting in touch with the company that programmed the ECM can tell you what they do for a set up. Where did you get the tuned ECM from?
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Thursday, February 16th, 2023 AT 9:33 AM
Tiny
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Jet tunes are the ones who programed the ECM. I'll try that after I replace the upper intake it has a broken ear I assume from the plastic spacer everyone raves about. I bought an aluminum one to go back just waiting on the intake.
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Thursday, February 16th, 2023 AT 10:10 AM
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With the cold air intake do you still have the intake air temperature sensor in the mix, or was that taken out with the new ECM?
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Thursday, February 16th, 2023 AT 10:25 AM
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Removed with new ECM there were a few sensors that they left plugged in the harness but not in operation, if you know what I mean one was for EGR I know and one was for some kind of vacuum switch. They were both just lying on the top.
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Thursday, February 16th, 2023 AT 11:07 PM
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I gotcha. If you deleted the EGR system I assume you don't have strict emissions in your state. They're terrible here. Its every year and its expensive, I'm going to check out the company you got your tuner ECM from, I just want to see if they offer any PC software programs for making changes.
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Friday, February 17th, 2023 AT 9:27 AM

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