Oil loss

Tiny
CHRIS IN MTL
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  • 2005 PONTIAC SUNFIRE
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Hi, my car is in good shape except for the oil level being unstable. I have the 2.2 Ecotech engine and it runs very smoothly, but it is apparently burning off a half a liter of oil every three to four days of average use, maybe 100km of driving.

I just replaced my 1999 Sunfire, which did not lose more that one liter of oil in twelve of driving, so it is a bit of a surprise that the 2005 is going through oil.

There is no trace of oil dripping on the ground, no sign of an oil leak under or around the engine block and no particular odor or discoloration of burning oil in the exhaust. Except for the dropping oil level, the car is running as well as can be expected, in many ways it behaves as nearly new.

I am wondering if this is some known issue with the Ecotech engine? I have worked around cars half my life, and have not seen oil seem to simply disappear like this.

Thanks, Chris in Mtl.
Wednesday, July 17th, 2013 AT 8:52 AM

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Tiny
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The easiest way to find this is to add a small bottle of dark purple dye to the oil, drive the car a few days, then search with a black light, including at the tail pipe. The dye will show up as a bright yellow stain that you can follow back to the source of the leak.
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Wednesday, July 17th, 2013 AT 10:33 AM
Tiny
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Thanks, I will look into that!
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Wednesday, July 17th, 2013 AT 11:04 AM
Tiny
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Did you ever find out what was wrong with it? Mine is doing the same thing.
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Wednesday, September 5th, 2018 AT 11:10 AM
Tiny
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Hi, my oil problem just stopped by itself shortly after I posted here. Best guess is I used thicker/better quality oil that the previous owner was using, and that was enough to end the leak or burn-off. Whichever it was. Good luck.
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Thursday, September 6th, 2018 AT 8:17 AM
Tiny
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Hi guys. One tidbit to consider is many brands of oil do not use compatible additives. Switching to a different brand of oil seems to be a common cause of leaks and burning oil, but that can clear up over time. All engine oil has dispersants, detergents, anti-foaming agents, corrosion inhibitors, viscosity modifiers, and seal conditioners. When you change the oil in an engine that calls for five quarts, it actually holds about seven quarts of oil. Two quarts in the passages and hanging up in the heads never drains out during the oil change. The seal conditioners left in the old oil can be attacked by the detergents in the new oil, as an example. Twice I have witnessed people switching to synthetic oil and within a few days the engines developed pretty severe oil leaks. Those leaks slowed down after about a month of switching back to the oil used previously, but they never totally dried up.

Years ago flooding carburetor engines was common. That raw gas washed down the cylinder walls and removed the film of oil on them. If that was not real severe, the gas would vaporize out of the oil during prolonged highway driving and be sucked out through the PCV valve to be burned. Until all that gas was gone, it thinned out the oil and made it much easier for it to sneak past the oil control piston rings and/or the valve guide seals. You would see that as blue smoke from the tail pipe. Blue smoke from leaking valve guide seals typically clears up after five or ten minutes. The thinned oil that was burning is what has leaked down the guides after the engine was stopped last time. Thinned oil getting past the piston rings tends to make the blue smoke worse as the engine warms up and the oil gets more fluid. If it was more severe, that gas in the oil could tear up engine bearings leading to a catastrophic engine failure, so it has always been recommended to change the oil right after something happened to get that gas in the oil.

With electronic fuel-injected engines of today, flooding is a rare occurrence, but we still run into problems when we have a spark-related crank/no-start condition. Most problems cause loss of spark and loss of fuel injector pulses, but if only the ignition system is affected, it is possible for the injectors to still be spraying gas into the engine, and there is no spark to ignite it. Once the cause of the no-start is identified and repaired, it can be determined it that did not affect fuel delivery. When that is the case, the oil on the cap or dipstick will have a strong gas odor. That is when it is extremely important to change the oil right away to get that gas out.

Here is a link to an article that looks at other causes of oil leaks and how to address them:

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/engine-is-leaking-oil
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Thursday, September 6th, 2018 AT 10:29 PM
Tiny
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Good to know, thanks.
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Friday, September 7th, 2018 AT 7:05 AM

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