Van shakes going over fifty mph, code P0420

Tiny
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  • 2005 HONDA ODYSSEY
  • 3.5L
  • 6 CYL
  • 2WD
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  • 204,500 MILES
My minivan shakes when on the freeway going over fifty mph. If I take foot off the accelerator the shaking/vibration stops and engine runs smoothly. The car has not had a tune up anytime recent. Regular oil changes done at four to five thousand miles. Check engine light is on with code P0420 - Catalyst system efficiency below threshold Bank1.

It first started during my return drive from Miami to Chicago with family about twelve hours into the trip. I was cruising around eighty mph and started hearing brief intermittent vibration, about one second every few minutes. The vibration sounded like driving over a rumble strip. Called my mechanic and he suspected cylinder misfiring. After a while it started becoming more regular. No vibration when foot off the gas pedal. I took an exit to check and noticed that the vibration is not happening with lower speeds. I got back to expressway and drove around fifty mph without any vibration. Over the next few hours I had to bring the speed to around forty eight mph to avoid vibration and got home four hours late.

The next day, took the car to mechanic and he suggested wheel balancing since vibration was happening above fifty mph. The problem appeared fixed as I took to expressway and drove about twenty miles at different speeds fifty to eighty mph. The check engine light was reset by mechanic next day after an oil change.

Three days later I drove the car about fifty miles on expressway in the morning and on the return trip (about twenty five miles in), the vibration started happening again and I was driving around seventy mph. Once it started vibration, I tried driving at various speeds and it was happening at all speeds above fifty mph and consistent. As before, vibration stops when gas pedal is released. After a while check engine light came on with same code P0420.

I have not noticed any major loss of engine power. I have driven the car on short trips (under ten miles) on local roads around forty five mph without any vibrations in last couple days.

Wondering whether to replace Bank 1 catalytic converter. Any suggestions? Thanks.

Also for some history; had no major problems with the van in the past thirteen years. Bought new January 2005; Timing belt done at 105,000 miles, engine mount replaced around 120,000 miles, front passenger wheel bearing replaced a month ago.
Wednesday, January 10th, 2018 AT 7:32 PM

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Tiny
KEN L
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Hello,

This sounds like an engine misfire problem which will cause the catalytic efficiency codes and the vibration as well. I would give the engine a good tune up with a throttle bore service then clear the codes to see what happens.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-tune-up-a-car-engine

and

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/throttle-actuator-service

Please let us know what happens.

Cheers, Ken
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Friday, January 12th, 2018 AT 11:50 AM
Tiny
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Update. It was due to bad transmission fluid and I changed the fluid and problem is fixed. I used Redline D4 ATF as suggested in an Odyclub thread.

I first did a tuneup and also throttle bore service. The engine power got better but the problem persisted. As I continued driving at lower speeds, the check engine light cleared by itself and made me confirm that the problem is not with catalytic converter. Searching for the initial symptoms, I came across a thread on torque converter and changed the transmission fluid and the vibration is now gone. The vibration somehow caused the misleading P0420 code. Maybe a loose sensor/wire but its not happening anymore.
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Monday, January 29th, 2018 AT 6:18 PM
Tiny
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Good to hear, please use 2CarPros anytime we are here to help.

Cheers, Ken
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Tuesday, January 30th, 2018 AT 10:35 AM

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