DTC codes P120, P220, P1516 and P1518

Tiny
FLYNNHART1
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Hi Guys,

I removed my truck's throttle body to clean it and after reinstalling it the Reduced Engine Power light came on and the truck would only idle. I had no throttle response at all. I have a code reader and I got P120, P220, P1516, and P1518. After doing a lot of research I found that these DTC's are a pretty common issue with GM trucks. The P120 and P220 codes point to the TP 1&2 sensors and the P1516 and P1518 seem to point to wiring harness issues. I found information on how to test the TB (Voltage and Resistance measurements) and all measurement seem okay.

I checked the wires on the connector that plugs into the TB and found no broken wires (another common issue with GM) I wiggled the harnesses and nothing changed.

I have checked all the ground associated with this (especially S103) and they are tight. Battery is brand new.

I have found that I can clear the DTC's, and without starting the engine, shut off the ignition, turn the ignition back on (without starting the engine) and all 5 of the above mentioned DTC's will appear. I have also found that I can clear the DTC's and then start the truck and if I give it gas right away I get normal throttle response and as long as I keep it above 1,000 RPM's it runs normal. As soon as I let it idle the REP light comes back on and all 5 of the DTC's are present. I have done this process 3 times and got the same results each time.

I found that the 5V Reference to TP Sensor 1&2 goes to 0V (one or the other, not both) most of the time when I get the DTC's. Grounding either of these wires will cause them to go to 0V. Turning the ignition off and then back on will reset them to 5V.

From what I have read there have been cases where GM itself admitted to not knowing root cause. I've read horror stories about folks that have spent thousands of dollars and still have this problem.

I would be great if you could give me some advise as to what the problem might be, I would really appreciate any time you could give me.

Thank you very much,
Robert
Thursday, September 5th, 2013 AT 11:08 PM

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Tiny
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Does it seem to run rich? Have you tried spraying carburetor. Cleaner in the throttle body to see if it will rev up? What is the vacuum reading? Your going to need the trouble trees for each one of these codes and that's in the factory shop manual.
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Friday, September 6th, 2013 AT 12:46 AM
Tiny
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It seems that you are trying to look at this as a factory defect when in reality it appears that you simply damaged the electronic throttle body which never should have been removed to clean it in the first place.
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Friday, September 6th, 2013 AT 2:57 AM
Tiny
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Hi Wrenchtech,

I’m certainly not trying to imply it’s a factory defect, just that it is common and hopefully because of that, someone knows how to fix it (there are 569 posts on Edmunds. Com from people with this problem). It seems that a lot of dealerships are having trouble identifying and fixing this. I agree I shouldn’t have removed the TB, however, that is in hindsight. It just seems strange that by just removing the TB and spraying it with TB specific cleaner and reinstalling it would damage it. That being said, if I did indeed damage it, I don’t mind buying a new one, I just don’t want to go about fixing this problem by going down the shot gun process. I was looking for someone to tell me what they thought the problem most likely is. From the DTC’s it appears that the problem could be the TB itself, or the harness/connector. The connector seemed likely because of my removing it from the TB but I checked it for opens/shorts and found none.

Hi cadieman,

If I clear the DTC’s the car will start and rev just fine. It will rev up and down and run fine at all RPM's as long as I keep it above 1,000 RPM's or so. As soon as I let off on the pedal it goes to 600 RPM's and them after a couple of seconds it goes to 1200 RPM's and stays there. The engine will not respond to any more throttle movement at this point. REP light is also on. I get the same DTC’s every time this happens. I have tried this process several times and always get the same results.

Can anyone tell me if a bad TB could set off ALL of the DTC’s I’m getting, especially the P1516 and P1518?

Thanks
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Friday, September 6th, 2013 AT 2:46 PM
Tiny
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Nobody is going to know exactly where the problem is without extensive testing. You're getting codes for both TPS and the throttle control module and it's communication line. Just the fact that this happened after you removed the throttle body and sprayed it with chemicals that you shouldn't have really point to a damaged throttle body but who knows for sure without testing. I think you just made a very expensive mistake.
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Friday, September 6th, 2013 AT 3:06 PM
Tiny
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Hi Wrenchtech,

"you are trying to look at this as a factory defect”
"which never should have been removed to clean it in the first place”
"you removed the throttle body and sprayed it with chemicals that you shouldn't have”
"I think you just made a very expensive mistake”

I guess I was looking more for help than criticism. Thanks anyway.
Flynnhart1

BTY - I have done quite a bit of testing already, only a portion of which is in my first post. I am a member of Alldata and and so far all I have performed all of the recommended diagnostics and troubleshooting called out in the DTC and TSB sections. All tests have passed so far.
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Friday, September 6th, 2013 AT 7:26 PM
Tiny
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Hi,

This is going to require some diagnostics. It seems by accident something was damaged when you removed and cleaned the unit. Since the codes are specific to the throttle control module and the throttle position sensor (TPS) that is where we need to start. Additionally, the codes indicate a communication issue between the two. I am going to provide diagnostic flow charts. Work through them in order and see if you can identify the possible source of the problem. Also, just reconfirm there are no damaged wires from the TPS. It is easy to accidentally pinch one or cause one to short when working. The module related code is specific to a short to B+ voltage. I have a feeling that is the issue, a short to power.

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Here are the diagnostics for the P120. We need to start there. The attached pics will indicate the tests involved. Note that the diagnostics are very similar with the P0220.

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2003 GMC Truck K 1500 Yukon 4WD V8-5.3L VIN T
P0120
Vehicle ALL Diagnostic Trouble Codes ( DTC ) Testing and Inspection P Code Charts P0120
P0120
CIRCUIT DESCRIPTION
The throttle position (TP) sensor 1 is a potentiometer type sensor with three circuits:
- A 5-volt reference circuit
- A low reference circuit
- A signal circuit

The TP sensor is used to determine the throttle plate angle for various engine management systems. The control module provides the TP sensor a 5-volt reference circuit and a low reference circuit. The TP sensor then provides the control module a signal voltage proportional to throttle plate movement. TP sensor 1 signal voltage is low at closed throttle and increases as the throttle opens. When the control module detects that the TP sensor 1 signal or TP sensor 5-volt reference voltage is outside the predetermined range, this DTC sets.

CONDITIONS FOR RUNNING THE DTC
- DTCs P1518 or P2108 are not set.
- The ignition switch is in the crank or run position.
- The ignition voltage more than 5.23 volts.

CONDITIONS FOR SETTING THE DTC
- The TP sensor 1 signal voltage is less than 0.37 volt or more than 4.51 volts.
- The above condition is present for more than 1 second.

ACTION TAKEN WHEN THE DTC SETS
- The control module illuminates the malfunction indicator lamp (MIL) when the diagnostic runs and fails.
- The control module records the operating conditions at the time the diagnostic fails. The control module stores this information in the Freeze Frame and/or the Failure Records.
- The control module commands the TAC system to operate in the Reduced Engine Power mode.

OR

- Under certain conditions the control module commands the engine OFF.
- The message center displays Reduced Engine Power.

CONDITIONS FOR CLEARING THE MIL/DTC
- The control module turns OFF the malfunction indicator lamp (MIL) after 3 consecutive ignition cycles that the diagnostic runs and does not fail.
- A current DTC, Last Test Failed, clears when the diagnostic runs and passes.
- A history DTC clears after 40 consecutive warm-up cycles, if no failures are reported by this or any other emission related diagnostic.
- Clear the MIL and the DTC with a scan tool.

DIAGNOSTIC AIDS
- Inspect the throttle actuator control (TAC) module connectors for signs of water intrusion. When this occurs, multiple DTCs could be set with no circuit or component conditions found during diagnostic testing.
- When the TAC module detects a condition within the TAC system, more than one TAC system related DTC may set. This is due to the many redundant tests run continuously on this system. Locating and repairing one individual condition may correct more than one DTC. Disconnecting components during testing may set additional DTCs. Keep this in mind when reviewing the stored information, Capture Info.
- If this DTC is determined to be intermittent, refer to Intermittent Conditions. See: Computers and Control Systems > Initial Inspection and Diagnostic Overview > Intermittent Conditions

TEST DESCRIPTION

Steps 1-3
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Steps 4-6
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Steps 7-9
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Steps 10-13
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Steps 14-17
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Steps 18-23
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Steps 24-27
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Steps 28-33
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The number below refers to the step number on the diagnostic table.
33. When the TAC module detects a condition within the TAC system, more than one TAC system related DTC may set. This is due to the many redundant tests run continuously on this system. Locating and repairing one individual condition may correct more than one DTC. Disconnecting components during testing may set additional DTCs. Keep this in mind when reviewing the stored information, Capture Info.

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Here are the directions for diagnostics related to the TAC (P01518)

2003 GMC Truck K 1500 Yukon 4WD V8-5.3L VIN T
P1518
Vehicle ALL Diagnostic Trouble Codes ( DTC ) Testing and Inspection P Code Charts P1518
P1518
CIRCUIT DESCRIPTION
The throttle actuator control (TAC) module and the powertrain control module (PCM) communicate via a dedicated serial data circuit. This serial data circuit is separate from any other serial data circuit on the vehicle. Accurate transmitting and receiving of serial data requires not only good circuit integrity but also adequate system voltage. This diagnostic test monitors the accuracy of the serial data transmitted between the TAC module and the PCM. If the PCM detects a loss of data or invalid data, this DTC sets.

CONDITIONS FOR RUNNING THE DTC
- The ignition switch is in the crank or run position.
- The ignition voltage is more than 5.23 volts.

CONDITIONS FOR SETTING THE DTC
- Invalid or missing serial data messages are detected for a predetermined amount of time.
- The above condition is met for more than 1 second.

ACTION TAKEN WHEN THE DTC SETS
- The control module illuminates the malfunction indicator lamp (MIL) when the diagnostic runs and fails.
- The control module records the operating conditions at the time the diagnostic fails. The control module stores this information in the Freeze Frame and/or the Failure Records.
- The control module commands the TAC system to operate in the Reduced Engine Power mode.

OR

- Under certain conditions the control module commands the engine OFF.
- The message center displays Reduced Engine Power.

CONDITIONS FOR CLEARING THE MIL/DTC
- The control module turns OFF the malfunction indicator lamp (MIL) after 3 consecutive ignition cycles that the diagnostic runs and does not fail.
- A current DTC, Last Test Failed, clears when the diagnostic runs and passes.
- A history DTC clears after 40 consecutive warm-up cycles, if no failures are reported by this or any other emission related diagnostic.
- Clear the MIL and the DTC with a scan tool.

DIAGNOSTIC AIDS
- DTC P1518 sets if the battery voltage is low. If the customer's concern is slow cranking or no crank because battery voltage is low, ignore DTC P1518. Clear any DTCs from memory that may have set from the low battery voltage condition.
- DTC P1518 sets when there is a short to B+ on the TAC module ground circuit. Inspect the fuses for the circuits that are in the TAC module harness-i.e. cruise, brake. An inspection of the fuses may lead you to the circuit that is shorted to the TAC module ground circuit.
- DTC P1518 sets if the TAC module ignition feed circuit is shorted to a B+ supply circuit. The TAC module stays powered-up when the ignition switch is turned OFF. When the ignition switch is turned ON, the TAC module is powered-up before the PCM. DTC P1518 sets because no communication is detected by the TAC module from the PCM. Inspect related circuits for being shorted to a B+ supply circuit.
- Inspect the TAC module power and ground circuits and the TAC module/PCM serial data circuits for intermittent connections.
- Inspect the TAC module connectors for signs of water intrusion. If water intrusion occurs, multiple DTCs may set without any circuit or component conditions found during diagnostic testing.
- When the TAC module detects a problem within the TAC system, more than 1 TAC system related DTC may set. This is due to the many redundant tests run continuously on this system. Locating and repairing an individual condition may correct more than 1 DTC. Remember this if you review the stored information in Capture Info.
- For an intermittent condition, refer to Intermittent Conditions. See: Computers and Control Systems > Initial Inspection and Diagnostic Overview > Intermittent Conditions

TEST DESCRIPTION

Steps 1-4
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Steps 5-7
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Steps 8-10
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Steps 11-13
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Steps 14-18
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Steps 19-22
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Steps 23-29
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The numbers below refer to the step numbers on the diagnostic table.
2. This step determines if the ignition relay is supplying a voltage to the ETC fuse.
5. Increasing the engine speed to 3,000 RPM aids in locating a shorted throttle actuator motor control circuit. Depending on the polarity of the throttle actuator motor transistors, this DTC may not set with a fault in the control circuits. The throttle actuator motor is a bi-directional DC motor. Raising the engine speed changes the polarity of the transistors in the throttle actuator motor. This occurs because 1 set of the transistors are low, 0 volts, and the other set are high, B+. Therefore, if 1 set of transistors are at a low voltage and the corresponding circuit is shorted low, DTC P1518 will not set. When the polarity of the transistors change, this DTC sets. If this DTC does not fail this ignition, continue to monitor this DTC status while moving related harnesses and connectors.
29. Locating and repairing an individual condition may correct more than 1 DTC.

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Here are a few links you may find helpful:

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-use-a-test-light-circuit-tester

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-use-a-voltmeter

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-check-wiring

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Let me know if this helps or if you have other questions.

Take care,
Joe
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