Fuel injectors not closing

Tiny
ASHEPPARD7
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  • 2003 FORD FOCUS
  • 2.0L
  • 4 CYL
  • 2WD
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  • 277,000 MILES
Hi CarPros,

Have the car listed above with engine replaced at 170,000 miles in 2012 (at 277,000 now) and transmission rebuilt in 2017. The fuel injectors are not closing. Is it possibly related to a code P0191 Fuel Rail Pressure Sensor?

Thanks!
Adrianne
Friday, November 23rd, 2018 AT 8:03 PM

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Tiny
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Good evening,

If the injectors are not closing and flooding the engine, it may be the PCM as that is what controls the injector commands.

If you remove the wires from the injectors, does it still spray fuel into the cylinders?

If it does, the injectors are bad.

If it does not then the PCM may be the failure.

The code for the sensor may mean it sees lower pressure from the excessive fuel flow.

Roy

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-test-a-fuel-injector

P0191
Descriptor
Fuel Rail Pressure Sensor Circuit Performance (Frp)
Probable Causes
Circuit Resistance Excessive
Fuel Rail Pressure (FRP) Sensor Damaged
High Fuel Pressure
Low Fuel Pressure
Low or No Fuel
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Friday, November 23rd, 2018 AT 8:11 PM
Tiny
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Welcome back and thanks for starting a new thread.

The code you gave me can indicate a couple things. When you say the injectors are not closing, is the engine flooding? The code indicates an issue with the fuel rail pressure sensor. I have attached a picture to show you the possible things that could set the code.

The first thing you need to do is check fuel pressure. If it is too low or too high, that will set the code. Here is a link that shows how to check pressure:

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-check-fuel-system-pressure-and-regulator

The pressure you should find is between 35 and 70 psi. That seems like an exceptionally large range, but that is what the manual says.

Check this first and let me know what you find.

Take care,
Joe

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Friday, November 23rd, 2018 AT 8:14 PM
Tiny
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Hey Joe, Hey Roy,

I will have to get back with you all after I chat with the mechanic helping me out. I just wanted to get some feedback from others since I am novice in this area. I do know he said it may be the PCM like Roy said and that the engine was flooding like Joe shared. Will get back with what is found.

Thanks!
Adrianne
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Friday, November 23rd, 2018 AT 8:20 PM
Tiny
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Adrianne:

It could be the PCM, but if it is flooding, that tells me the pressure is most likely too high and the regulator is not doing its job.

Let us know what you find.

Joe
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Friday, November 23rd, 2018 AT 9:11 PM
Tiny
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Hi Joe and Roy,

Will get more feedback when the mechanic starts back Monday, he did share the sensor is showing around 42 psi.

Thanks!
Adrianne
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Saturday, November 24th, 2018 AT 11:08 AM
Tiny
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Welcome back:

The pressure looks good. Which leads me to question the sensor or a wiring issue, or the PCM. Interestingly, the injectors should not open/leak with that pressure unless actuated. So, if they are sticking open all the time, as Roy said, I question the PCM or an injector. However, if all are leaking, it would be hard to believe they all went bad at once.

Let us know.

Take care,
Joe
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Saturday, November 24th, 2018 AT 3:40 PM

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