AC doesn't want to take a charge

Tiny
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AC hasn't been used for a few years, as charge slowly leaked out.
When I started work on it and pushed in one of the charge valves there was a little burst of air, so it did hold something.
I removed the condenser and had it cleaned and tested at radiator shop. OK.
Put in new receiver-dryer.
Put new valve cores in high and low ports.
Put new R-D to POA hose as original was frozen to R-D fitting and broke.
I disconnected super-heat wire.

Put vacuum pump on system and it pulled to about 25". When I closed valves, it held the vacuum for at least 30 minutes.

I have several old stock drums of R12 Freon, so I am recharging with that.

Work being done at about 75 degrees outside temp.

After closing valves to gauge set, I attached Freon. Opened and cleared line.
Then opened low pressure valve (going to POA) to charge.

Low pressure gauge jumped to about 85 psi.

Started engine, turned AC on, temp to cool, fan on high.

Drum was sitting on scale to watch charge.

After 10 or 15 minutes, there still was no change in weight, or change in discharge temp.

Briefly, closed low valve and opened high side to try that. Gauge also went to about 80 psi. Didn't make any difference.

Compressor clutch is engaged, and you can hear compressor working. Sounds normal.

Tried another 10 or 15 minutes on low side. Still nothing.

Disconnected everything. I thought maybe new valve cores weren't opening, but when I pushed in pin there was a discharge under pressure, so I think they are working.

What might be the problem?

Thanks

Tuesday, June 19th, 2012 AT 11:01 PM

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Tiny
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What were the pressures? How much did you put in the system? Overcharging will never produce cold air the same as under charging.

Did you replace the expansion valve and the screen in the line? The POA valve may also be seized which was common in the old days.

Roy
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Tuesday, June 19th, 2012 AT 11:05 PM
Tiny
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Which pressures?
When "charging", the pressure was 85 psi.
As far as I can tell, little to nothing went in.
Tank weighed 28 pounds when started and pretty much the same when done.

I did not replace the expansion valve.
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Tuesday, June 19th, 2012 AT 11:19 PM
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The high and low pressure. We need those readings when running.

Charging pressure is only the pressure of the freon going into the system, not the operating pressure.

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Tuesday, June 19th, 2012 AT 11:24 PM
Tiny
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Ok.
I'll get that tomorrow morning
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Tuesday, June 19th, 2012 AT 11:31 PM
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Ok. I need running pressures.

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Wednesday, June 20th, 2012 AT 12:31 AM
Tiny
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Running pressures. Outside temp 65 degrees, AC on high and cool.

The low side is about 1 psi. The high side 40 psi.

As I mentioned above, it looked like hardly any refrigerant entered system.

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Wednesday, June 20th, 2012 AT 4:43 PM
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Yep, you are right. Are you sure it did not leak out from yesterday?

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Wednesday, June 20th, 2012 AT 4:51 PM
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I put the Freon tank on a scale.
When I started (trying to) recharge, it weighed 28 pounds.
When I stopped, it weighed at least 27 1/2 pounds.
So, not much went in.
All that "leaked" would have been from removing and attaching the gauge set.

Do the pressures tell you anything?
Why won't it take the charge?

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Wednesday, June 20th, 2012 AT 5:01 PM
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Could be a schraeder valve issue. Could be your gauge set as well.

Does it have a site glass on the dryer to see if it is circulating?

Is the compressor on? It has a thermal limiter switch on the compressor harness that should blow if the compressor runs and there is no freon.

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Thursday, June 21st, 2012 AT 11:16 AM
Tiny
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As noted above, I replaced schraeder valve cores and the compressor is running.
I unplugged the superheat switch so the thermal limiter wouldn't blow, as the manual states.
RD does have sight glass and nothing going through.

The gauge set does appear to be working. It goes down with vacuum and up with pressure. Pressure readings have ranged up to 90 psi.
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Thursday, June 21st, 2012 AT 3:51 PM
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I think you have an issue with your gauge set. Vacuum will still show as will the pressure but it does not mean it is going into the system.

Try them on another car to verify they are reading correct.

Roy
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Thursday, June 21st, 2012 AT 4:10 PM
Tiny
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I'll do that, but the system still wasn't taking a charge (the tank did not lost less than 1/2 pound) and the vent air is still warm.
How would the gauges affect that?
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Thursday, June 21st, 2012 AT 4:28 PM
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The freon has to go into the gauge set then into the car system.

Roy
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Thursday, June 21st, 2012 AT 4:30 PM
Tiny
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I found that with the new schraeder valves, I had to turn the gauge set fitting tighter for it to engage.
I recharged AC with about 4 pounds R12. Got high and low pressures in spec from manual, and outlet temp was 45Â.
However, it leaked out by the next day : (

With soapy water test, I found the rear head o-ring seal was leaking.

I took compressor off.
I set compressor down vertically.
Rear head came off pretty easily.

I cleaned surface, put on new o-ring, and put the head on.

When I flipped compressor back, the front pulley was sitting in oil.
Oil had leaked out the front somehow.
I never had oil leak from the front before.

Did I do something "fatal", or will it be OK?

Thanks
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Wednesday, August 8th, 2012 AT 3:39 AM
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Front seal is most likely leaking. It should be changed as well. This requires some special tools. The seal is in there pretty deep.

Roy
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Wednesday, August 8th, 2012 AT 10:04 AM

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